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NEWS: Tokyopop Number 1 Graphic Novel Publisher


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littlegreenwolf



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 6:48 pm Reply with quote
Toboe wrote:
Frankly, manga's pretty homogenized; you get the same basic product from everyone. Reasonable translation, digest sized, $7.99-$9.99. The differences between the seperate publishing entities are pretty much negligible, unless you're fretting over percieved translation errors or whatever, which is basically obsessing and you'll never be happy with anything anyway. Viz = TP = Dark Horse = Del Ray = Comicsone = etc etc etc.


Since I digitally edit manga myself, I beg to differ, and compare the manga publishing companies by this skill. It's obvious how much skill and time an editor put into their work if it's ridded with tons of little image glitches, empty talk bubbles, and cheap looking sound effects. The goal of this job is to make it look as natrual as possible. Not to stand out to the reader and scream "You paid money for me, but the company that published me didn't give you your money's worth". I'm not obsessive. I just have a trained eye in these sorts of things, and don't see why a company should be cheap on certian titles and still charge the same amount for them as their higher quality releases.
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manuverse



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 7:58 pm Reply with quote
I always thought Viz was the largest Manga Publisher in North America. Im pretty sure i remember hearing that Rurouni Kenshin was the best selling graphic novel ever in the US. Plus the Titles they've licensed are pretty big name: Yugioh, Dragon Ball, Evangelion, Inuyasha, Ranma 1/2, Excel Saga, Naruto, One Piece, Rurouni Kenshin (like i said above), Hikaru No Go, etc.

In my Opinion Viz is the tops and TokyoPop is close second (GTO and Love Hina own!)
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lianncoop
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 7:59 pm Reply with quote
According to TP's panel at AX, they are 51% of the manga market.
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UltimaShadowfax



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 10:13 pm Reply with quote
I also find the fact that Viz was absent from the survey interesting.
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jfrog



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 11:50 pm Reply with quote
Toboe wrote:
Frankly, manga's pretty homogenized; you get the same basic product from everyone. Reasonable translation, digest sized, $7.99-$9.99. The differences between the seperate publishing entities are pretty much negligible, unless you're fretting over percieved translation errors or whatever, which is basically obsessing and you'll never be happy with anything anyway. Viz = TP = Dark Horse = Del Ray = Comicsone = etc etc etc.


I disagree. Go to a comic shop and compare anything published by Tokyopop to No.5, Buddha, or Kwaidan. It's like the difference between a Criterion DVD and one by a fly by night publisher. I do agree that the digest sized $9.99 manga with a bare bones translation (too lazy for sound effects?) feels very homogenized, and they usually fall apart after a few readings. That's why my collection mainly consists of Dark Horse and Pulp/Editor's Choice Viz - they give me quality product. If there's something that I want from Tokyopop, I'll borrow it from a friend or get it from the library.
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Kagemusha



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 12:14 am Reply with quote
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If there's something that I want from Tokyopop, I'll borrow it from a friend or get it from the library.


I won't go far as to boycott Tokyopop; thats just stupid. Sure they may not do great jobs on things, but they also have some really great mangas that I wouldn't want to miss. Its no reason to totally hate them. And a company doing a good job on a product doesn't make it great. Some things that Viz does a great job on are pretty mediocre or boring. And Viz is even worse than Tokyopop in some instances. Its the substance that matters; its just nice when companys put effort into a product.
And I though you refused to buy No.5 until you were sure that Viz would bring the rest of it to the US Question Finally came around?
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Onv



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 12:38 am Reply with quote
I like Tokyopop because they have some of my favourite titles but they do screw up a lot with editing, translations, etc... Viz is good but they could do better. I really like Del Ray though, they have a nice presentation, along with CPM and Digital Manga Publishing.
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jfrog



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 12:51 am Reply with quote
Yeah - A lot of Viz's work is pretty crappy, too. And just because I don't buy Tokyopop doesn't mean I don't read them - the library is usually my main source of manga anyways, so it doesn't really affect my buying habits. I like to spend my money on things that last, that's all.

And I haven't bought No. 5 yet (near the top of my list), but I've seen copies of it and can tell that a lot of love went into it over at Viz. And after I heard it wasn't all available in America because it wasn't finished yet changed my mind. If it was going to turn into another Patlabor, though, I would get really annoyed and might not read it.
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Kagemusha



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 1:06 am Reply with quote
Wow your library actually has manga? My local branch has a couple of Akiras, Ranma 1/2, Nausicaa, and some American stuff (Bone, Tale of One Bad Rat, Maus), and thats it. They haven't gotten anything new in years. Even the giant library downtown has little. Like the schools, Boston's librarys suck big time.
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animaniac



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 1:48 am Reply with quote
my library has manga not much at most they have the first few issues of 10-20 titles.

As for this yeah the whole viz not being included is curious.

Also I agree tokyopop has released alot of if not mostly junk especially their new titles they developed themselves (ai love you, @large)

They do have most of or a lot of hits though I love akamatsu's manga which they publish most of

I don't have a fave publisher
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Toboe



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 8:26 am Reply with quote
animaniac wrote:

Also I agree tokyopop has released alot of if not mostly junk especially their new titles they developed themselves (ai love you, @large)

They do have most of or a lot of hits though I love akamatsu's manga which they publish most of

I don't have a fave publisher


AI Love You is not an in-house production, it's a pre-Love Hina Akamatsu manga. If you love his work so much, I'm surprised you didn't know that.
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Mad_Triad



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 11:50 am Reply with quote
Dark Horse mangas are of a nice quality but only cos they're so expensive. They've got good quality paper, bigger sized mangas, etc. Don't like the way they flip some of the manga but thats a little thing, nothing big.

Also, didn't Viz decide to adopt the smaller manga sizes to cut down prices, I think they noticed how well Tokyopop was doing with their smaller sized mangas.

One thing with Tokyopop and some Viz titles is how they don't translate sound effects, this is mainly the case with Tokyopop. Viz do translate but stick them all in the back of their mangas, and quite franky I'm don't want to be flicking back to the back of the manga everytime I want to see what the sound effect is. I know this may not be the case with everyone but personally I think if a manga is going to be translated if should be all translated thoughly for reason I mentioned.

Also I find billingual mangas very appealing but only afew exist.
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Legato101



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 9:45 am Reply with quote
I don't see anything to bad about Tokyopop. Not all of there stuff royaly sucks like most of your are declaring. Any publishing company that publisher hundreds of titles is going to have crap. For example, the Playstation 2 has the largest library of all systems but not all of them are good quality games. When ever a company goes HUGE, it is easy for them to allow "crap" manga to be published.

Besides, GTO is a good series and is probably the only manga I have read from tokyo pop. I dont give a d*mn about what publisher it is from. All I care about is the series that I am in too. If some other company published GTO then I would be giving them money but it is not that way.
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Kagemusha



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 10:11 am Reply with quote
The argument is more about how they often translate and edit poorly, not about their library.
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Dejiko



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 10:23 am Reply with quote
animaniac wrote:
Also I agree tokyopop has released alot of if not mostly junk especially their new titles they developed themselves (ai love you, @large)

You're mixing up Ai Love You with Princess Ai.
@large scared me though.
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