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vinamara
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Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 5:57 pm
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Small error in the review. Yukimura is a girl who (sometimes) dresses as a guy.
Edit: Alright, I added the tags.
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Echo_City
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Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 6:05 pm
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I agree with the bulk of the review, though I'd put the sub below the dub as Tipton hit Rika out of the park while (continuing the baseball metaphor) her Japanese counterpart hit, at best, a double.
I thought that the actors were passable, though not great (still at a loss as to whether Jerry was supposed to sound so apathetic), with the exception of Kristi Kang. Her botched performance as the loli "supergenius" nun has shown that Hilary Haag and Monica Rial have job security; Kristi Kang as the loli was a failure truly worthy of the adjective "epic".
I did expect better from veteran director Zach Bolton, the man who gave us Darker than Black. I guess that even the best of directors can't create masterpieces with a largely B-list cast.
There is something that doesn't make sense in the review, however:
Quote: | Haganai is everything that a school comedy series should be ... if one were trying to show how not to produce a school comedy. The idea of outcasts and misfits joining a "friendship club" could have been a forum on how school social structures are unfair, or a drama about overcoming personal struggles, or even an comedy about strong personalities clashing—but Haganai either misses these points, or handles them poorly. |
Haganai is justified in missing 2 of those points as then the show wouldn't have been a comedy (an idea rammed home when you specifically state that Point 3 is comedic, which implies heavily that the first 2 points aren't), which you acknowledge that Haganai is. The third point, about the clash of personalities, I would contend did happen. I wouldn't say that the clashes were particularly funny, mind, but they were there and they might as well have been what Haganai was about.
I laughed a bit but this one isn't going into the Pantheon of Anime Comedies.
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Echo_City
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Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 6:07 pm
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vinamara wrote: | Small error in the review. Yukimura is a girl who (sometimes) dresses as a guy. |
In the anime series, Yukimura is stated to be a guy. If he's actually a girl, no one in the anime knows and the anime doesn't state that he is anything but male.
If he isn't male then the joke that is his character, already unfunny, loses what little humor that it had.
If Yukimura isn't male then several parts of the anime, especially ep 13, don't work. Also, Rika will be most angry.
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sonic720
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Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 6:07 pm
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I think the overall grading was a little harsh. The animation is very good, though obviously Buriki has better art in the light novels. It's mainly a comedy show that runs on gag humor. Also there's a story line, it just does not develop much in the first season. The supporting characters get a lot more development in season 2, and the reason for the club is revealed in that season as well.
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RyanSaotome
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Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 6:11 pm
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Echo_City wrote: |
vinamara wrote: | Small error in the review. Yukimura is a girl who (sometimes) dresses as a guy. |
In the anime series, Yukimura is stated to be a guy. If he's actually a girl, no one in the anime knows and the anime doesn't state that he is anything but male.
If he isn't male then the joke that is his character, already unfunny, loses what little humor that it had.
If Yukimura isn't male then several parts of the anime, especially ep 13, don't work. Also, Rika will be most angry. |
Its actually a spoiler to say that Yuki is a girl, since it isn't officially confirmed until Season 2 (even if its obvious)
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Also lol at grading a harem comedy low for not having a thought provoking and epic story. Never change, ANN.
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walw6pK4Alo
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Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 6:13 pm
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Echo_City wrote: |
vinamara wrote: | Small error in the review. Yukimura is a girl who (sometimes) dresses as a guy. |
In the anime series, Yukimura is stated to be a guy. If he's actually a girl, no one in the anime knows and the anime doesn't state that he is anything but male.
If he isn't male then the joke that is his character, already unfunny, loses what little humor that it had.
If Yukimura isn't male then several parts of the anime, especially ep 13, don't work. Also, Rika will be most angry. |
I thought it was supposed to be insanely obvious and you as the viewer are supposed to see the cast as completely ignorant.
It's confirmed in the second season Yukimura has a vagina.
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terminus24
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Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 6:14 pm
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vinamara wrote: |
Small error in the review. Yukimura is a girl who (sometimes) dresses as a guy. |
That's kinda a spoiler from season two. We don't find that out until partway through the second season, up until then, it's accepted that he's a guy.
Anyways, I'm a big fan of Haganai, It's one of my favorite manga series, but season one kinda didn't cut it for me. Actually, it straight out sucked. I gave up on season two until I read multiple positive reviews and gave in, and all I can say is that the second season of Haganai is much, much better than the first. I'm looking forward to a third season, or at least more of the LN to come out that covers the events right after the end of the second season.
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Echo_City
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Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 7:21 pm
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walw6pK4Alo wrote: |
Echo_City wrote: |
vinamara wrote: | Small error in the review. Yukimura is a girl who (sometimes) dresses as a guy. |
In the anime series, Yukimura is stated to be a guy. If he's actually a girl, no one in the anime knows and the anime doesn't state that he is anything but male.
If he isn't male then the joke that is his character, already unfunny, loses what little humor that it had.
If Yukimura isn't male then several parts of the anime, especially ep 13, don't work. Also, Rika will be most angry. |
I thought it was supposed to be insanely obvious and you as the viewer are supposed to see the cast as completely ignorant.
It's confirmed in the second season Yukimura has a vagina. |
In season 1 the show establishes that Yukimura wears female clothing only because Yozura cons him into doing so.
Also, the horribly voiced (Kristi Kang should be barred from voicing a loli for life) super-genius loli nun spoke of cutting off Yukimura's penis...another nail in the coffin of her "genius" lol.
I considered that Yukimura was indeed female (though mostly I just considered how much more I'd enjoy the show if she/he weren't there) but Season 1 doesn't say it so it really was a foul for the poster to try and correct the review on that. I generally revile dramatic irony (so often it is used as a crutch) so I try to ignore it until it is explicitly established by the show. Now I'm dreading that Season 2 will suffer from poorly-executed "retroactive dramatic irony" (ugh, just typing that...).
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Melanchthon
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Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 7:34 pm
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I couldn't agree more with the review. Perhaps the problem was my expectations, there was a fair amount of buzz for this show went it came out, and so I was expecting a drama/comedy about a group of socially awkward teens trying to make friends. Instead, I got a rather generic harem comedy that's only differing feature was being a bit more raunchy than most. And if I was going in with a stupid, cookie-cutter harem show in mind, I'd probably be okay with it, but to me this felt a little like a bait and switch.
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iamthevastuniverse
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Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 7:45 pm
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Echo_City wrote: | I agree with the bulk of the review, though I'd put the sub below the dub as Tipton hit Rika out of the park while (continuing the baseball metaphor) her Japanese counterpart hit, at best, a double.
I thought that the actors were passable, though not great (still at a loss as to whether Jerry was supposed to sound so apathetic), with the exception of Kristi Kang. Her botched performance as the loli "supergenius" nun has shown that Hilary Haag and Monica Rial have job security; Kristi Kang as the loli was a failure truly worthy of the adjective "epic".
I did expect better from veteran director Zach Bolton, the man who gave us Darker than Black. I guess that even the best of directors can't create masterpieces with a largely B-list cast.
There is something that doesn't make sense in the review, however:
Quote: | Haganai is everything that a school comedy series should be ... if one were trying to show how not to produce a school comedy. The idea of outcasts and misfits joining a "friendship club" could have been a forum on how school social structures are unfair, or a drama about overcoming personal struggles, or even an comedy about strong personalities clashing—but Haganai either misses these points, or handles them poorly. |
Haganai is justified in missing 2 of those points as then the show wouldn't have been a comedy (an idea rammed home when you specifically state that Point 3 is comedic, which implies heavily that the first 2 points aren't), which you acknowledge that Haganai is. The third point, about the clash of personalities, I would contend did happen. I wouldn't say that the clashes were particularly funny, mind, but they were there and they might as well have been what Haganai was about.
I laughed a bit but this one isn't going into the Pantheon of Anime Comedies. |
Zach Bolton is my least favorite ADR director currently working at Funimation. I've yet to be impressed with his work. The dubs for A Certain Scientific Railgun, Eureka Seven AO, A Certain Magical Index & Future Diary have all been borderline average at best. I find that his dubs simply lack passion and the required love that other ADR Directors like Mike Mcfarland & Tyler Walker put into their work. The Haganai dub is quite mundane as well. I really hope Funimation doesn't pick Zach Bolton as the ADR Director for the Psycho Pass dub.
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Thatguy3331
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Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 8:25 pm
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When I first saw this show streamed, I had relatively low expectations and... While I can't say it didn't meet them, all it did was just meet it, not exceeding in anyway. I'll admit the only thing that really made me want to see season 2 was that last or second to last episode Involving Kodaka and Yozora. That wasn't exactly to say I particularly liked or cared for a whole lot of the cast though, in fact when I really thought about it, both Yozora and Sena could be viewed as pretty unlikable. In certain cases like Yozora where there's a cynical character I seem to notice that sometimes instead of being funny they can get a tad annoying, and Sena really doesn't help herself with her Ojou-superiority personality. However I don't find them to be terrible, hell I kinda wish we just had these two and Kodaka (with an actual story movement of course) than adding the others. Or maybe at the very least I wold have enjoyed the lack of the token loli characters.
Overall I thought it was just 'meh' I don't hate it but I don't exactly 'like' it. I will agree though that the best parts were the parody bits and Kodaka's flashbacks regarding his former friendship with Yozora but overall the show doesn't stick with me as something I'd want to go out and buy.
I know this doesn't matter in terms of the review, but I also felt pretty similar towards season 2, with the last few episodes sort of taking me by surprise.
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Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 8:53 pm
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Carlo, your opinion is bad and you should feel bad.
Really though, this gave me all that I asked out of it. Buriki character designs, and some laughs. Kinda sounds like you went into it expecting something. I'm not arguing with the grades, because I suppose if I was looking at it critically, I'd probably agree. But, some shows I don't care how light on content they are, and this is one of them.
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zensunni
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Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 9:19 pm
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While not spectacular, season 1 of Haganai was funny and actually heartwarming in spots, with the back story between the two main characters. It fell flat occasionally, but was generally enjoyable.
Season 2 shines! Considering that Season 1 is required to tell the story of Season 2, even if it were as bad as the reviewer states, it would still be a "necessary evil".
I just wish there was more source material...
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Naiera
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Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 9:32 pm
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I'm five episodes in and I very much disagree with the grading. I find the show to be utterly hilarious. It's been a while since I've laughed so well watching anime. It's true that there's no real story, but I'm laughing out loud or chuckling all the way through each episode, so I'm very, very happy I got this.
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Stark700
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Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 10:12 pm
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Well story wise, this show definitely lacks a bit but I still enjoy this show. However, now that I think about it though, that enjoyment definitely won't be the same again for me if I would rewatch this again in the future...
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