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mpg13
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 11:36 pm
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I really enjoyed this show. I watched it online and bought it when it became available. I can't comment on the dub as I've only watched the subbed version.
I'm curious that you didn't review the whole show as it's been out for a while now.
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dragonrider_cody
Joined: 14 Jun 2008
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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 11:44 pm
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I have only watched the first half so far and I'm not sold on it yet. The story line is very cliched and predictable, as are most of the characters. It's not terrible; just not very original or interesting. I hear the second half gets much better, so I will likely check it out at some point in the future.
I can say the dub was pretty solid. It was well cast and the actors did pretty well overall. I'm usually not a fan of Funi's dubs, primarily due to their inconsistent casting, but Shiki didn't have those issues. My only small complaint were some issues with the pronunciation of some medical terms. They were really mispronunciations, but it's pretty funny when you hear a Texas VA using a proper (British) English pronunciation for a word with a non-British accent, especially when 95% of the American medical community pronounces them differently. They certainly weren't incorrect, but if you have a medical background, it made for some inappropriately funny moments.
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Surrender Artist
Joined: 01 May 2011
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Location: Pennsylvania, USA
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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 11:45 pm
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This series seems very promising. I can easily get past oddball design and I like slower stories, although it depends upon the reason; the ones described in this review do give me pause.
I'm not usually one to fret over the scores, but were the overall Sub and Dub scores reversed? As it stands, the Dub is B overall and the Sub B-, which seems at odds with the text describe the English cast as getting it, "almost right."
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Jaymie
Joined: 18 Jun 2009
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 12:07 am
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Quote: | Look at it this way, though: Shiki is simply taking the time to look at a textbook vampire infestation from every angle. Through Dr. Ozaki's eyes we get a medical analysis, which provides some vital clues—but also reveals science's rigid limitations. From the resident monk comes a spiritual perspective, plus a reminder of Japan's own tradition of undead superstitions. Meanwhile, Natsuno provides an everyman view as a moody teenager struggling to understand the deaths (and horrific undeaths) of his peers. There's more to the vampire genre than just sensationalism and gore, as these different viewpoints show—even minor characters like an annoying classmate, or a hysterical fortune-teller, have something to say. |
This is a perfect description of why Shiki is such an amazing series.
I would also recommend Another, which was written by the husband of Shiki's author and then adapted into a manga/Anime duo just like Shiki was.
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dtm42
Joined: 05 Feb 2008
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 1:04 am
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Don't worry, relax. I know what you're thinking but as much as I hate Shiki I'm not going to derail this thread. Besides, all of the discussion I want to talk about really belongs in a discussion thread for the second half of the show, heh heh heh.
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shamisen the great
Joined: 08 Jun 2010
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Location: Oregon, USA
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 1:42 am
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I only just finished this show. I think it's one of the better anime of recent years that I have seen. Maybe some of the elements in it weren't completely original, but the overall presentation felt fresh. One of the only complaints I have is with how the end played out. That discussion can wait until the review of part two though.
Also, I love the first opening song(the second OP is okay, but isn't as over the top awesome as the first).
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Animegomaniac
Joined: 16 Feb 2012
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:12 am
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My only complaint with Shiki is how the creators messed with Vampire rules or basic lore or however you want to consider fictional mythological concepts. That is, they're doubly not real yet still somehow everyone knows what they are. Weird. Anyway...
1 Vampires only turning victims into other vampires or not when its benefical to the plot. It's narratatively weak.
2 Super vampires! Yeah, when your Renfield should be your Dracula, you've got problems. But I have to admit that it's very Japanese in both what it represents and how its used.
3 Vampires come to the only town in Japan where they bury their dead - and they bring their own shovels. In Salem's Lot, the vampires did the same thing only they didn't bring shovels. They didn't need them. Why? 'Cause they're vampires. I guess Shiki don't like getting their fingernails dirty.
But as Shiki are Shiki and Vampires are Vampires, I'll let fictional monsters be fictional monsters. My biggest complaint with the review? I loved the hair, wouldn't change it.
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ElectricDork
Joined: 08 Apr 2010
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:07 am
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I own the first BD + DVD set and have watched up until episode 12. I'm not sure I'll be going any further.
Trouble is, I'm not feeling the oft-mentioned sense of dread, nor much atmosphere at all for that matter. Shiki was intriguing at first, when there was still a certain air of mystery, but then characters I didn't care about kept getting offed and the most visible antagonist in these first 12 episodes is just too goofy looking to carry any real menace. Without atmosphere or any real scares to speak of (and no, Shiki slowly descending from trees or floating at windows does not make me crap myself), all I'm left with is a show that feels oddly-paced and, well, a bit boring. The stiff character movement hardly helps either, brutally diffusing what little tension the show is able to build.
At least the ridiculously OTT Masao, who managed to stink up every scene he was in and whose voice in both languages was like nails on a chalkboard, didn't stick around for too long. But I fear the show hasn't seen the last of him...
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pachy_boy
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:58 am
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Quote: | characters are slow on the uptake, |
I think I've said this before, but I'll mention it one last time. Carlo has provided great reasons for the slow pacing, but I think it's something else as well. Aside from the over-the-top hair designs, which I can definitely agree are over the top, I think Shiki was meant to be a realistic approach to how people within a small village would deal with a vampire problem. The real point as to why it takes everyone so long to get around to the idea of vampires is because--IF this happened in a real life, in the real world, would any sane person automatically and easily think that vampires are the cause? Shiki may be a fictional series, but why do all fictional series have to have the exact same treatment just because it's fictional? Wouldn't that make it just as cliched? If anything, when one of the lead characters finally does get the idea, it may have all started happening just a little too fast, but then again it would've made things too much longer than they needed to.
I was surprised at how much I liked this show. I liked the pacing, the buildup, the ensemble cast of characters with all their own stories. I also like how some of the characters, the women especially, have more "realistic"-looking physiques, like some of the nurses, which we just don't see often enough in Anime. There are other reasons to like it, but since they pertain to the second half I guess I'll save these quick comments for the next review.
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Maidenoftheredhand
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 8:20 am
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After initially being wary of it I though Shiki turned into a pretty good series. I did think the direction at the end was too over the top but the build up & atmosphere of the series was great.
I am honestly sick of vampires in fiction but I liked that Shiki brought back the "horror" aspect to vampires.
Have not bought the series yet but I plan to.
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The Human Spider
Joined: 19 Jan 2007
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:50 am
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Maidenoftheredhand wrote: |
I am honestly sick of vampires in fiction but I liked that Shiki brought back the "horror" aspect to vampires |
I thought that was one of the best things about it; it's great how it brought back the association of vampires with fears of plague. The thing I really loved about SHIKI was it was basically a pure traditional horror show, which is pretty rare in anime.
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prime_pm
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:27 pm
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This Japanese Salem's Lot creeped the shit out of me. Or at least the manga did. Yet to see the anime, just the first episode.
Not gonna lie, the animation feels a little obtuse. Out of place somehow.
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Anime_Otaku35
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:29 pm
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I really liked the show, and I am happy to have it on my shelf. However, the early episodes seemed really similar to Salem's Lot to me.
prime_pm wrote: | This Japanese Salem's Lot creeped the shit out of me. Or at least the manga did. Yet to see the anime, just the first episode.
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That's funny, you posted this while I was typing up my post.
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TarsTarkas
Joined: 20 Dec 2007
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:25 pm
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An enjoyable take on the vampire mythos. Worth watching.
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ikillchicken
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 8:49 pm
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I don't know that I'd call this a fantastic show but so far (I'm maybe 2/3 through) it is a pretty solid show. I'm certainly enjoying it.
In regards to the character designs: I actually like the designs themselves. However, I don't think they work for this particular show. These same designs could have worked I think in a different show with a different mood and a different overall look but they don't really fit with the rest of what this show is doing. The village itself, and a lot of the side characters, have a very simple, realistic look. Hence, it looks especially strange to see the handful of main characters with their really odd, extravagant appearances. It really doesn't mesh.
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