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tintor2
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 Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2025 9:15 am
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I watched the liveaction of Blade of Immortal before the actual series cos I was like "Isn't that Yagami from Judgment?!"
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malvarez1
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2025 9:34 am
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Live action One Piece had some major flaws, but the show was overall so impressively good that it made the flaws more forgivable than they otherwise would have been.
The Netflix Yu Yu Hakusho was pretty solid too, but way too abridged.
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mdo7
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2025 9:34 am
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| Chris wrote: | | Lucas, it looks like Coop and Steve's taking on the legacy of Carl Macek might have sparked some discourse among readers! I hope the fine folks on the internet know we never try to intentionally court controversy with our topics. |
Well, some folks are already accusing Coop and Steve and ANN of trying to stoke tension when they opened up that can of worm over this. I don't think it a topic that should be dived into, please don't do it again.
When it comes to live-action adaptation of anime/manga, it's a mixed bag for me.
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Beatdigga
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2025 10:21 am
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They’re getting better. Slowly. It helps that you have people who actually care about and respect the material in a lot of these cases. Case in point - Jackie Chan’s City Hunter, a movie that had barely anything to do with the manga (and Chan is on record as being his least favorite film) vs the quite good 2024 City Hunter adaptation that gets the tone of the original manga down pretty well.
Blade of the Immortal worked because Miike has experience doing samurai movies. Yu Yu had a pretty penny given to it by Netflix to make the fights work. One Piece is a clear labor of love with Oda having veto power. Compare that to Cowboy Beflop which didn’t get the material at all, and Knights of the Zodiac which felt more like a Cannon Film than any sort of manga adaptation.
I get the differences in mediums, but if you adapt something, sometimes you need to give yourself over to the material, regardless of the cultural differences. That means BET needs to go full Euphoria and not be the bland slop Simon Barry’s previous effort Warrior Nun was (a sauce less adaptation of a very 90s Ben Dunn comic that honestly made me want a Chrono Crusade remake more than anything).
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Sekaro
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2025 11:26 am
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Hollywood should try their hand on a Gantz live action adaptation. With a big budget, I can see the untapped potential. They can even take some creative liberties with the source material like having the story take place in the US instead of Japan. It doesnt have to follow the original story closely. It just needs some high quality & badass looking weapons & good CGI on the alien monsters & I honestly think it could work.
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Dumas1
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2025 1:20 pm
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I'd bet that Minnie May's a big factor keeping people reluctant about live-action Gunsmith Cats. A lot of stuff would have to be either rewritten or kept unmentioned to avoid trouble. Other than that, the crazy bounty-hunting duo has a lot of potential as either a movie or series.
I'd personally go for a live-action Hellsing, at least enough not to just immediately write it off. It probably can't be worse than that one Dracula TV movie some years back where someone invited the Count to London in hopes of curing his own syphilis. Or that time Hammer tried to crossover into kungfu.
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Southkaio
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2025 1:38 pm
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I would like to see a live-action adaptation of a Hudson Soft game.
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TarsTarkas
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2025 1:39 pm
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| Dumas1 wrote: | | I'd bet that Minnie May's a big factor keeping people reluctant about live-action Gunsmith Cats. A lot of stuff would have to be either rewritten or kept unmentioned to avoid trouble. Other than that, the crazy bounty-hunting duo has a lot of potential as either a movie or series. |
If we can have live-action underage girl killing drug gang members with a spear and killing mobsters with guns, like Chloë Grace Moretz as Hit-Girl in the Kick-Ass movie, then we can have Minnie May killing people with grenades and bombs. Yeah, you would have to get rid of her boyfriend, and not get too deep into her backstory, but that is doable. Really don't think there would have to be any major changes to the story for that.
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NJ_
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2025 1:40 pm
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| Beatdigga wrote: | | They’re getting better. Slowly. It helps that you have people who actually care about and respect the material in a lot of these cases. Case in point - Jackie Chan’s City Hunter, a movie that had barely anything to do with the manga (and Chan is on record as being his least favorite film) vs the quite good 2024 City Hunter adaptation that gets the tone of the original manga down pretty well. |
There's also the French Nicky Larson movie from 2018 which was said to be good from most accounts and even had one of the anime producers praising it on the one extra that Discotek produced for Shinjuku Private Eyes.
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Beatdigga
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2025 1:41 pm
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| Dumas1 wrote: | | I'd personally go for a live-action Hellsing, at least enough not to just immediately write it off. It probably can't be worse than that one Dracula TV movie some years back where someone invited the Count to London in hopes of curing his own syphilis. Or that time Hammer tried to crossover into kungfu. |
Amazon and Derek Kostlad apparently have the rights to make a Hellsing movie, but there's been no movement on it in years.
That's the thing though. There are a lot of options for live-action anime that have gone nowhere. Did you know Ranma 1/2 was optioned in the late 90s? It was presumably meant to follow the success of teen sex comedies before Superbad killed the genre.
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TarsTarkas
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2025 2:24 pm
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I was just thinking of a American live-action film or series adaptation of Future Diary. We know girls commiting ultra violence works in American, but would an adaption of the school arc be a bridge too far. Sure there would be complaints and vocal anger, but would that really make much difference in the financial risk. For MA and R rated stuff, those people complaining would not be watching and buying anyway.
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a_Bear_in_Bearcave
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2025 4:41 pm
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| mdo7 wrote: |
| Chris wrote: | | Lucas, it looks like Coop and Steve's taking on the legacy of Carl Macek might have sparked some discourse among readers! I hope the fine folks on the internet know we never try to intentionally court controversy with our topics. |
Well, some folks are already accusing Coop and Steve and ANN of trying to stoke tension when they opened up that can of worm over this. I don't think it a topic that should be dived into, please don't do it again.
When it comes to live-action adaptation of anime/manga, it's a mixed bag for me. |
That was quite interesting discussion actually, TWIA team, please dive more in topics like these.
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mdo7
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2025 5:14 pm
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| a_Bear_in_Bearcave wrote: | | That was quite interesting discussion actually, TWIA team, please dive more in topics like these. |
Actually, I got worried it could spiral out of control, and thought that thread could get locked because some folks on that thread don't like Robotech, Harmony Gold, or Carl Macek in general. That's why I don't want to see that topic being brought back in the near future.
I want to also add something that I didn't add on my first post on this thread, and this is my well unpopular (or popular, depend on how you viewed it) opinion on how anime/manga get adapted into live-action:
- In the past, when Hollywood (before Netflix's One Piece live-action adaptation) tried to adapt anime/manga into live-action in the past, it would usually face ridicules and a lot of hates from anime/manga fans in the US and international. But I don't see this same type of backlash toward when South Korea, Taiwan, Mainland China, or even Japan do live-action adaptation of anime/manga. When Japan adapt anime/manga into live-action, it's usually ended up as a mixed results. I mean I've seen Japan screwing it up like remember when Lupin the 3rd was going to be adapted into live-action film, they wanted to "modernize" the characters including Goemon Ishikawa, that didn't go well with fans both Japanese and international. I don't see this level of backlash against Japan, and other countries that isn't Hollywood/USA when it comes to shoddy live-action adaptation of anime/manga. It seems like people give a pass to Japan, South Korea when it comes to shoddy live-action adaptation of anime/manga and they just focused on Hollywood adaptation, this is double standard for fans to just attack Hollywood for their live-action adaptation, but not put Japan and South Korea to that same standard when it comes to shoddy live-action adaptation.
- You know how people in the past accuse Hollywood of whitewashing characters of color including those related to anime/manga? I never hear the same argument made against toward Japanese live-action adaptation of anime/manga where the characters that are non-Japanese/non-Asian characters supposed to be played by non-Japanese/non-Asian actors/actresses. I mean that's what happened for the live-action Fullmetal Alchemist, and the live-action Attack on Titans films. The characters in FMA and Attack on Titans (except Mikasa) are played by Japanese actors and not actors of European descent. I mean that's the same thing as white-washing, or as I called it "yellow-washing", that's not any better. Oh, and before anyone say Japan doesn't have any white actors to play them, then why did the Japanese production not team up with Hollywood to get proper actors to play them for the live-action Fullmetal Alchemist and Attack on Titans films, I want to remind you that both Mainland China and South Korea were able to get Hollywood actors/actresses to appeared in their films (you got Liam Neeson and Megan Fox appearing in 2 Korean films!!!). Why didn't Japan do the same??? They could've gotten Logan Lerman to play Eren Yeager instead of Haruma Miura for the live-action Attack on Titan film and it would've been perfect, but nope we had a yellow-washed casts which for the LA Attack on Titans which is no better then a Hollywood white-washed casts. And I can't believe people that have complained about Hollywood's whitewashing was silent over this "yellow-washing" for Japanese live-action adaptation of Attack on Titan, and Fullmetal Alchemist films, and that really appalled me and show the stink of hypocrisy and probably Asian supremacy (which is no better then white supremacy).
- Also recently, I've seen people complain about when manga get live-action adaptation, but no anime adaptation regardless of what country it was made in. I'm baffled why would some people don't want a live-action adaptation yet since that manga doesn't have any anime adaptation. I don't understand this mindset, not everything will get anime adaptation like for example, Gannibal (which by the way I'm currently reading, and I would like to watch the live-action J-drama too), that one doesn't have any anime adaptation at all and I don't think it'll ever happen (unless something changed).
- One last thing and it's not related to adapting anime/manga into live-action, it's about how people in the past used to view remaking foreign films for Hollywood and the American audiences, and how people perceive it. When Hollywood started to remake Asian films (& also foreign films from Europe, and elsewhere), Hollywood was under fire from fans of foreign films (and I suspect weeaboo and people with anti-American belief/agenda). I remember when The Departed (a Hollywood remake of the hit HK film, Infernal Affairs) was made and it won Best Picture at the Academy Awards, it got a lot of hate from people I assume were foreign film fans and fan of the original. But in 2009/2010, when the table turned and it was East Asia's turn to remake Hollywood films into localized version like for example when the 2004 blockbuster film, Cellular got a Hong Kong remake in 2008 under the title name, Connected. That started the wave of remake of Hollywood films in East Asia with China continuing to remake Hollywood films to this day. It wasn't only East Asia that was actively engaging in remaking Hollywood films, Europe also joined the remake mania including remaking Hollywood films too. What I noticed is that when East Asia, and Europe were remaking Hollywood films, none of the haters and complainers of Hollywood remakes of foreign films made any complaint or doing any similar backlash toward these foreign remakes of Hollywood films. In 2012, when it was confirmed that Japan would remake the Oscar-winning Hollywood film, Unforgiven into a samurai film. I didn't see the same type of backlash that the Japanese remake got like The Departed got back in 2006. It made me questioned: Why were people against The Departed (a remake of HK's Infernal Affair), but when Unforgiven got a Japanese remake, nobody in the US called for it to be cancelled because of the film being a remake. The same people that bashed The Departed didn't went after Unforgiven's Japanese remake at all. Oh, and before some of you say: maybe these fans didn't know about the Japanese remake hence no backlash or hatred toward it. That's impossible, the people that complain about The Departed knew about American/Hollywood remakes of Asian & foreign films, but how are on earth do these same people not know or missed the news about East Asia, Japan, and Europe remaking Hollywood films, where do they get their news from, they would've heard about these foreign remakes of Hollywood films. I just found out last year that Hong Kong remade the 1998 Hollywood film, The Negotiator into the HK remake title, Crisis Negotiators. How on earth, and why do people have double standard when it comes to which country remake a film from another country and Hollywood seem to get a lot of flak for remaking foreign films? But I don't see that when Japan, Europe, South Korea does this when they remake Hollywood films (or even TV shows).
That's all I have to say, I'll end my thoughts here.
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Kadmos1
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2025 6:00 pm
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mdo7, my main Twitter quite freq. shames race-swaps of est. real/fictional characters. This includes those live-action AoT films. Japanese homogeneity be darned, they could and have saved money by not making those live-action AoT films.
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Loogoo T Lexter
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2025 6:17 pm
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| Kadmos1 wrote: | | mdo7, my main Twitter quite freq. shames race-swaps of est. real/fictional characters. This includes those live-action AoT films. Japanese homogeneity be darned, they could and have saved money by not making those live-action AoT films. |
Race swaps are bad but AoT is in a special place because despite the cast being Japanese they still have western names and wigs so it's really just JP people playing westerners in make-up. Something that would never fly in America these days but is pretty common in Japan due to racial homogeny..
But I do agree live-action AoT (and anime adaptions in general) are pointless. I feel animation is the best choice to adapt manga so I'm happy with that. I wish western properties had faithful animated adaptions and didn't focus so much on live-action movies. There's some western comics I'd love to see animated but they never will be. Live action always seemed like it was aimed at people who don't like animation or take it seriously. So a live-action Cowboy Bebop or One Piece is the only way they'd ever consider watching the show. Or people who just don't like Japanese storytelling and want to see Americans do it.
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