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Kiwi93
Joined: 08 Dec 2022
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Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2024 2:28 pm
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That Bloomberg report was really eye opening and I’m hoping that Sony will finally wake up and work on making CR better, Crunchyroll has its issues and a lot of valid criticisms but I don’t want them to fail I want them to improve.
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residentgrigo
Joined: 23 Dec 2007
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Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2024 3:02 pm
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In the novel's universe of Snow Crash 1992 the term Disney has become the label for all movies due to them having acquired all major studios. We are well on our way in our very own boring dystopia to have half a dozen outlets own the entire media landscape.
From Bloomberg: Producing anime normally costs around $200,000 to $300,000 per episode on average, a sum anime studios easily cover through deals with Western distributors, according to anime industry workers in Japan. Due to the new competition, license fees for popular Japanese programs are “going through the roof,” one of those workers said. Rising fees may impact the profitability of Crunchyroll.
This is the exact figure that the canceled Tokyo Babylon cost per ep and we heard similar numbers from Gonzo productions in the 00s. Film and TV budgets in Japan have long plateaued due to Japan´s flat economy so this number was likely true when digital animation took over post-2000 and will remain the same for the rest of the decade. My biggest takeaway from the report.
Sony is still run like shit but that´s public knowledge due to North Korea. It´s also nice to know that Japanese companies and authors don´t like Crunchyroll either. A trash company from the start and only getting worse. I couldn´t care less what happens to them.
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Thulebox
Joined: 15 Mar 2024
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Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2024 3:22 pm
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residentgrigo wrote: |
Sony is still run like shit but that´s public knowledge due to North Korea. |
Um what are you referring to here? I can't think of any Sony/North Korea thing except that Seth Rogen movie from years ago.
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Thulebox
Joined: 15 Mar 2024
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Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2024 3:49 pm
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I have to say for all the talk in this discussion about how awful the reporting on this was by video game press this article was extremely bone dry in any actual interesting insights.
Like people know Kadokawa are more than the "Fromsoftware Parent Company" in the Anime community so they get frustrated. Yet everyone in the Community continues to refer to Funimation owned Crunchyroll as exclusively a "Crunchyroll" issue even though we got more confirmation in that Bloomberg article that Funimation is wearing Crunchyroll's face and making this merger a very hostile thing including standing on a moral high ground and looking down at the Crunchyroll side as pirates cause of the sites origins.
I could go on for so much longer with so much that there is to chew on and this was really disappointing to see pop up and feel like they just lightly touched upon this to have a vapid "see I told you so" to dogpile on the Crunchyroll sucks sentiment that so many Sloptubers shovel down the content pipeline.
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Joe Mello
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Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2024 4:19 pm
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While I agree that the Venn Diagram between anime fans and game fans is growing ever closer to a circle, there is plenty of association to the one that the other does not want to be associated with. I like video games, but I refuse to consider myself a "gamer," and plenty of video game enjoyers would think "otaku" is a worse slur than some of the actual slurs.
Re: Crunchyroll and the state of the industry, I'm reminded of some pull quotes from Cory Doctorow's latest newsletter:
Quote: | Making art is not an "economically rational" activity. [...] These activities are not merely intrinsically satisfying, they are also necessary, at least for many of us. [...] Movie studios, record labels, publishers, games studios: they all know that they are in possession of a workforce that has to make art, and will continue to do so, paycheck or not, until someone pokes their eyes out or breaks their fingers. People make art because it matters to them, and this trait makes workers terribly exploitable. |
Corporations are acutely aware that there's an ever-growing demand for product, and that product is made by people who have to make it, so the corporations will do whatever they can to wring as much return-on-investment as possible. The people who are passionate about anime, even if they are in the C-suite, will not fully yield to the needs of capitalism, so they ended up losing whatever voice they may have had.
It's also another way of framing the AI debate; instead of a human who is compelled to make art, it's a machine compelled to do the "same" thing, except it doesn't need paid days off can in theory be licensed out or sold back to recover some of the cost of ownership.
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Hatless
Joined: 10 Dec 2019
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Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2024 8:30 pm
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This conversation is now about AI.
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garfield15
Joined: 06 Apr 2009
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Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2024 12:11 am
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I read that Bloomberg article and was livid when I saw there was a part about the higher execs viewing anime as low-priority kids shows. Like if the number one anime streaming service has these kinds of people at the top, the calls are coming from inside the house at this point.
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