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Kougeru
Joined: 13 May 2008
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Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2024 8:03 pm
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hilarious timing, honestly. Nintendo might ask the court to speed up the injunction because of this.
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FeelMyBlade
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Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2024 8:52 pm
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Finally people stuck on PlayStation can play it.
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AiddonValentine
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Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2024 9:48 pm
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Picked a helluva time to announce this. Also, capture mechanics mysteriously absent from the trailer
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MFrontier
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Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2024 10:15 pm
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Kind of funny in light of recent news...
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psh_fun
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Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2024 11:18 pm
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I guess the long, evil arm of Nintendo can't reach outside of Japan
AiddonValentine wrote: | Also, capture mechanics mysteriously absent from the trailer |
They also they didn't show any base building, crafting, overworld exploring, riding Pals, breeding, poaching, and a lot of other stuff. It's just a cinematic trailer of the female tamer fighting some of the tower bosses. I guess they figured everyone knew all about the game already
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Bonebrain
Joined: 03 Jan 2024
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Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2024 3:09 am
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The balls on Pocketpair doing this move now. I salute them for not backing down or letting this nonsense affect them
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Doubleclouder
Joined: 07 Jan 2024
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Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2024 5:54 am
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I was wondering if they were saving something the announcement for their TGS booth today but it seems like the PS5 version is absent there as well and only PC and Xbox is still available.
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Greed1914
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Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2024 8:55 am
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Kougeru wrote: | hilarious timing, honestly. Nintendo might ask the court to speed up the injunction because of this. |
I'm not so sure. Japan was already excluded from the release, and I'm sure that was a last minute change because of the lawsuit. It also sounds like the lawsuit itself may only be applicable to Japan due to where the patents may apply, sort of like how videos might only get region-blocked instead of outright removed from youtube because the rights are limited by region.
I don't know that I would say Pocketpair is being gutsy by doing this now. Game releases don't happen overnight, at least not behind the scenes, so this PS5 release was happening now regardless. I don't think Pocketpair has the resources to be able to afford to pull an entire version of the game at the last second, and if it does, it is playing right into Nintendo's hands. Pocket has to keep the lights on while dealing with the lawsuit, and not proceeding with its business to the extent possible will make it that much harder.
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Doubleclouder
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Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2024 9:14 am
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Greed1914 wrote: | I'm not so sure. Japan was already excluded from the release, and I'm sure that was a last minute change because of the lawsuit. It also sounds like the lawsuit itself may only be applicable to Japan due to where the patents may apply, sort of like how videos might only get region-blocked instead of outright removed from youtube because the rights are limited by region. |
Japan has been first-to-file patent for decades rather than first-to-invent and this led to a lot of cases in the 80s where companies would patent various game mechanics even if they had been invented already and then try to patent troll each other. It eventually ended up being a Mutually Assured Destruction situation where people stopped doing it because they could all go down by doing it to each other. In modern times I only see it done in retaliation for patent trolling like when Nintendo sued Colopl over a patent of "controlling a joystick with a touch screen" because Colopl tried to patent it and demand royalties from other mobile developers themselves.
America had a first-to-invent patent system until the mid 2010s and generally has more fair patent laws than Japan does so I assume whatever Nintendo is doing wouldn't work or apply outside of Japan. And it might be something very limited since they seem to have no problem continuing to sell new Palworld merchandise and publishing updates for the existing versions of the game. Perhaps it's something very specific like not allowing any new platforms to sell the game in Japan. Which might have been the reason they filed a lawsuit a day before TGS and this launch was going to start to cut it off.
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TheOnePieceIsReal
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Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2024 10:01 am
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It makes sense that it's not releasing day one in Japan given the lawsuit. Though I do want to note something else.
From what I read from a Forbes article majority of Japanese are on Nintendo's side because they view PocketPair and their games in general to being rip off. Like PalWorld being a rip off of Pokemon and another game of theirs, Craftopia, being a rip off of Legend of Zelda Breath of the Wild and the likes.
Here in the States we're more mixed on it. There are many who want Nintendo to win because they dislike PalWorld and some who want PocketPair to win because they view them as an underdog as well as bias against Nintendo.
And it's this sort of reasoning why I always try to remain neutral at all times. Because I rather not come off as bias when it comes to sensitive topics like court room cases. After all it's none of my business. I'm just a casual onlooker. So I'll wait until things come to a close.
Also this is still nowhere near as stupid as the Stellarblade vs Stellar Blade lawsuit.
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Koroto
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Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2024 12:14 pm
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TheOnePieceIsReal wrote: |
There are many who want Nintendo to win because they dislike PalWorld and some who want PocketPair to win because they view them as an underdog as well as bias against Nintendo. |
Honestly I doubt it'll end to court, very few companies can afford a prolonged legal battle on patents.
That said though, I'd like Nintendo to lose, not because the company they sued is an underdog (I haven't played neither Pokemon nor Palworld), but because software patents, and game system patents are absurd (see also Konami vs Cygames for Uma Musume: Pretty Derby).
But I know that's not the probable outcome.
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Shay Guy
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Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2024 7:02 pm
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Palworld Game Launches for PS5 Today |
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Palworld Game Does Not Launch for PS5 in Japan Today |
This is my favorite combination of article and follow-up ever. Only way it could've been better was if the "in Japan" qualifier had been on the first too.
I believe I saw the latter headline before the former, and my thought was, "Other games that do not launch for PS5 in Japan today include Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, Sonic CD, Arc the Lad, and Final Fantasy VII: Rebirth."
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TheOnePieceIsReal
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Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2024 8:41 pm
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Koroto wrote: |
TheOnePieceIsReal wrote: |
There are many who want Nintendo to win because they dislike PalWorld and some who want PocketPair to win because they view them as an underdog as well as bias against Nintendo. |
Honestly I doubt it'll end to court, very few companies can afford a prolonged legal battle on patents.
That said though, I'd like Nintendo to lose, not because the company they sued is an underdog (I haven't played neither Pokemon nor Palworld), but because software patents, and game system patents are absurd (see also Konami vs Cygames for Uma Musume: Pretty Derby).
But I know that's not the probable outcome. |
I never doubted other reasons for why people would be for and/or against Nintendo. I just used the best examples I could think of at the top of my head at the time.
With that said I have this to say. On the one hand, Nintendo only goes to court when they are fully confident. So it's possible that they have some solid arguments against PocketPair and PalWorld. But on the other hand I will admit that PocketPair might still have a chance of winning even though I have zero interest in PalWorld and their content. That's because I try my best to stay neutral to the best of my abilities and not let bias dictate by decisions.
So whoever wins it won't effect me in the slightest. I'll still buy Nintendo games and I'll still continue ignoring PalWorld.
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ScruffyKiwi
Joined: 25 Oct 2010
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Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2024 11:26 pm
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Japan’s issue is nothing to do with first-to-file vrs first-to-invent. Everyone EXCEPT the US have been first-to-file for a long time. Japans problem is that they are VERY permissive on what software patents they allow.
BTW if you want to be precise, the US moved to first-inventor-to-file which is a bit of a halfway house between the two.
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