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Ardlien



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 7:46 am Reply with quote
Why isn't this film talked about? Sure it's ten years old, and a bit of a downer, but it's very nice to look at, has an interesting premise, and is the best, most hard-hitting tale of spoiler[Little red riding hood] I've ever encountered. Akira is older and Grave of the Fireflies is more depressing, yet they both seem to get a lot more attention even years later than Jin Roh. I'm not entirely convinced they deserve to.
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Zin5ki



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 8:07 am Reply with quote
Ardlien wrote:
Why isn't this film talked about? Sure it's ten years old, and a bit of a downer, but it's very nice to look at, has an interesting premise, and is the best, most hard-hitting tale of spoiler[Little red riding hood] I've ever encountered. Akira is older and Grave of the Fireflies is more depressing, yet they both seem to get a lot more attention even years later than Jin Roh. I'm not entirely convinced they deserve to.

You have to admit, it's a masterwork in bleakness. We're presented with a character who spoiler[due to the role he plays cannot succumb to any passions.] Perhaps it is the grim and grey appearance of the film that prevented its appeal from being too widespread. Vivid spectacle in the style of Akira wouldn't have suited the work.
Out of interest, is the rest of the Kerberos saga of a similar nature?
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ikillchicken



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 8:44 am Reply with quote
Well, I think it's because of the impact those films made. Akira is older but that's actually an advantage. By the time Jin-Roh came out anime was already fairly established here making Jin-Roh another excellent anime but not exceptionally influential. Akira however came out when anime was still in the early stages. So many people were initially introduced to anime by it. Jin-Roh was by no means an inferior movie and in fact I prefer it. It's not really a question of quality. (Not that Akira is a bad movie either.)
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 11:26 am Reply with quote
Ya' know, instead of resurrecting a 6 year-old thread with only 3 posts, you could've just started a brand new one.

*sniff* You smell that?.. It smells like... spoiler[ logic!]

Getting to the film itself, I haven't seen it in a while (as the DVD video quality looks absolutely atrocious on an HDTV), but it remains one of my top films because of the dark, gritty, and yes, depressing presentation. I don't remember too much of the dialogue to really come up with as much symbolism as I thought I felt back then, but as you mentioned, spoiler[ The Little Red Riding Hood] allegory is, indeed, an interesting parable.

It examines the values and behavioral tendencies of people and ultimately categorizes the entire human race (might sound cliché, but what doesn't anymore) into a either a man or a wolf. One could think of this as a reminder on how to live, or maybe just how to view the world they live in. Is it sad that society can so easily be analyzed? Maybe. But that's what make people so interesting in the first place: the way they are.
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Ardlien



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 10:03 pm Reply with quote
I was under the impression creating new discussion threads when other ones existed was discouraged. It won't happen again.

The symbolism in the film was odd to me, you mentioned that you felt the symbolism, which is the same way I'd describe it, but it's very different from how I'd normally experience a psychological or philosophical (I dislike those genre descriptions but oh well) anime. Usually there's the first time viewing where I follow the story, experience what emotion I can and only after one or two more times through do I see literary techniques/symbols.

In Jin Roh, I found myself noting things like spoiler[the girl leading Fuse around in the beginning, and Fuse leading the girl around near the end] or the images that were shown during the spoiler[reading of that rather horrifying version of little red riding hood] immediately. More than anything, the repetition of spoiler[the little red riding hood fable] added the right kind of horror, where you sense a terrible event coming and slowly see it unfolding. It was, as you say, symbolism that you feel rather than analyse after the fact.

I got the feeling Fuse wasn't categorised (or at least didn't want to be categorised) as any of the archetypes, either prey or predator. It's a strange character trait in a world of wolves and men to be so able to kill physically, but so unwilling. In one of the posts in the earlier thread it was described as cowardice on Fuse's part, but I'd say it was more an unwillingness to do anything more than ensure his survival. spoiler[Throughout most of the film, it's unclear who is being referred to as a wolf, as the mother and as the girl, or at least I was questioning it, I get the feeling Fuse didn't want to be the mother (Henmi's plan for him to be a sacrificial lamb) or the little girl (when they lay a trap for him at the musuem), but that he didn't see himself as a wolf either (one of the dream sequences shows him as human among a pack of wolves)]
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