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DomFortress



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 2:53 am Reply with quote
Complain all you want, but the new culture minister of Japan said that the new Japanese DPJ government had made their decision on canceling the 11.7 billion yen project, promoted by the Liberal Democratic Party-led Cabinet of Taro Aso.

Personally, I'm all for it. When the new DPJ government got more pressing issues than patronizing on what I think is an unsustainable entertainment industry. When the Japanese populace are so depressed about their livelihood, there are at least 100 of Japanese became suicidal each day as of 2007. Never mind the fact that their birthrate is so low, the government can use the 11.7 billion yen to pay for more babies.

Promoting the Japanese subculture, when somehow their main culture is making their lives more miserable? I think not.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 10:02 am Reply with quote
Not surprising considering that there already is a museum to animation in Japan. But also that money could be spent on infrastructure like roads or health care or whatever. So this is a good thing. Adding to it is some opinions of liking the anime industry to a weed and that probably doesn't make a strong case to making a center for it nor keeping it around.
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egoist



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 3:18 pm Reply with quote
DomFortress wrote:
When the Japanese populace are so depressed about their livelihood, there are at least 100 of Japanese became suicidal each day as of 2007.
Never mind the fact that their birthrate is so low, the government can use the 11.7 billion yen to pay for more babies.


Well, I don't get you. So 100 japanese people became suicidal daily in 2007. That number could pretty much grow.
Abandon the old people and save the young? It's not a sinking boat.
The government has to save both, it's there for it.
11.7b yen on something that will result in entertainment for a whole country ain't that bad, considering how small Japan is and how every Japanese will be able to visit it.
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DomFortress



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 4:43 pm Reply with quote
egoist wrote:
DomFortress wrote:
When the Japanese populace are so depressed about their livelihood, there are at least 100 of Japanese became suicidal each day as of 2007.
Never mind the fact that their birthrate is so low, the government can use the 11.7 billion yen to pay for more babies.


Well, I don't get you. So 100 japanese people became suicidal daily in 2007. That number could pretty much grow.
Abandon the old people and save the young? It's not a sinking boat.
The government has to save both, it's there for it.
11.7b yen on something that will result in entertainment for a whole country ain't that bad, considering how small Japan is and how every Japanese will be able to visit it.
When you take a closer look at those who became suicidal in Japan, you'll see that they're mostly in their 60's. And they're the fastest growing Japanese age group when the baby boomers are still retiring from the work force amass.

Do you know what this means? It means that the Japanese baby boomers don't look forward to their lives after retirement. Because they value themselves more so when they are being productive, while "... they have been hit hard by pension and welfare system reforms intended to reduce public spending." In other words, the Japanese baby boomers can't cope with a world that find them to be useless, when they can't create a new life for themselves after retirement. They've got nothing to look forward to a life of retirement, and you think keeping them entertained with anime will help them? When it's in fact a breakdown in the Japanese family value within their cultural influence, that's making their elderly feeling depressed because they're isolated and poor.

Not to mention is the fact that the same breakdown in the Japanese family value is causing their low birthrate in the first place. And the small landmass is increasing frictions among urban areas with high population density, making everyone's lives in the city more stressful while at the same time centralizing developments and resources.

As if that wasn't enough, watching too much TV for entertainment can cause further depression.
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egoist



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 8:43 pm Reply with quote
Mm yeah, I get your point now. Had you explained earlier the suicidal group were mostly at their 60's I'd have understood, you should expect some people(like me) don't wanna read an entire article on that. Wink
I didn't think Japan's situation was that bad and now I agree with the anime center project being cancelled.
Thanks for taking your time and explaining all of it to an ignorant person like me.
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DomFortress



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 9:21 pm Reply with quote
egoist wrote:
I didn't think Japan's situation was that bad and now I agree with the anime center project being cancelled.
Thanks for taking your time and explaining all of it to an ignorant person like me.
You're welcome. It's the least I can do with my topic, after all.
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Wooga



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 4:24 am Reply with quote
LordRedhand wrote:
But also that money could be spent on infrastructure like roads


Actually, they should spend a lot less, at least from what I've learned in my Japanese Government/society class.

It's kind of complicated, but basically, the government gives tons of money to road development crews to build, literally, highways and bridges that go nowhere. Why? So the construction people will give more votes to the politicians for giving them jobs!
Never mind that it adds up to massive debt that future generations have to pay off. In fact, the very first thing I learned in that class is that corruption is ingrained in Japanese politics at the most fundamental level...

For a parody of Japanese politics, check out the Excel Saga manga. Its actually pretty much true-to-life in most instances. (its one of those 'laugh so you don't cry' instances)


About the anime center. I think it was a bad idea. They should put the money into a fund for retired manga & anime artists who work nonstop for $10,000 or so a year...
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Ktimene's Lover



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 7:16 am Reply with quote
Taro Aso seems to like anime/manga more than he did his political duties.
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DomFortress



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 1:50 pm Reply with quote
Wooga wrote:
In fact, the very first thing I learned in that class is that corruption is ingrained in Japanese politics at the most fundamental level...

For a parody of Japanese politics, check out the Excel Saga manga. Its actually pretty much true-to-life in most instances. (its one of those 'laugh so you don't cry' instances)
There are several volumes worth of Excel Saga contents dedicated for just that purpose...

... I can use Prozac right about now.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 8:15 pm Reply with quote
Eh, I think we need to look a bit under the surface here: maybe not as many guys would be committing suicide if they had access to some inspirational anime to give them the will to live?

Plus like, what if anime encourages otaku to hook up and procreate? Solves your baby problem. I mean, I am one of those rabid anti-breeder folks and watching Clannad made me want a family and to have some aka-chans.

As for birth rate, there's always stuff like encouraging immigration, I'm sure lots of otaku would love to come over to help with the population, not to mention help to increase it by hooking up with some native speakers Smile
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egoist



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 8:48 pm Reply with quote
tyciol wrote:
I mean, I am one of those rabid anti-breeder folks and watching Clannad made me want a family and to have some aka-chans.


Oh god, that's the worst example you could give us.
But if I understand this correctly the people who are suiciding are aged 60 and over because their pension is low and the government is cutting their budgets on it. So I really doubt an anime center would solve a money shortage, and as a person over 60 money shortage is probably the worst thing to happen, and in Japan even, where the living expenses are quite high...
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DomFortress



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 9:12 pm Reply with quote
tyciol wrote:
As for birth rate, there's always stuff like encouraging immigration, I'm sure lots of otaku would love to come over to help with the population, not to mention help to increase it by hooking up with some native speakers Smile
Actually you'll be surprised how Japanese immigration policy can make immigrating to Japan a living hell.

You should watch this movie called The Ramen Girl. You'll be surprised to see how the Japanese traditions played out as various metaphors in this film.
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Wu Ming



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 10:35 am Reply with quote
DomFortress wrote:
tyciol wrote:
As for birth rate, there's always stuff like encouraging immigration, I'm sure lots of otaku would love to come over to help with the population, not to mention help to increase it by hooking up with some native speakers Smile
Actually you'll be surprised how Japanese immigration policy can make immigrating to Japan a living hell.

You should watch this movie called The Ramen Girl. You'll be surprised to see how the Japanese traditions played out as various metaphors in this film.


The issue is ridiculously multifaceted, which is why European and American sociologists have a field day watching Japanese society as a test case for "What will my country look like in 10 years?"

1.) The Old "Iron Triangle" of Government/Bureaucracy/Industry that upheld post-War economic growth in Japan turned into one of the largest cleptocracies on the planet. As someone mentioned before, you had redundant construction projects (Classic LDP manuever) or issues like bullet train stations going to places with less than 1,000 people.

The recent election only removed one of the legs of the Iron Triangle though. No one knows if the new party has the strength to bring the Bureaucracy to heel - punish them too much and they won't carry out their policies. Fire them and you'll lose the technical expertise capable of carrying out those policies.

So its all a political issue right? Eh...not really.

2.) DomFortress and Tyciol brought up the problem of immigration. And its a big big problem. Most first world nations are willing to accept immigrants who have skilled labor, Scientists and Engineers are always at a premium whereas anything to do with the Arts (unless your super famous) or Humanities are worthless. And of course there's a bit of tolerance for illegal immigration on the side. Mostly Hispanics for the USA and North Africans for Europe.

That secondary class ends up becoming cheap labor usually unprotected by the rules/regulations of society. The trade off is usually a 2nd or 3rd generation child can become a citizen in that society.

Japan prefers not to engage in either type of immigration. This doesn't mean it never happens, but there's a cultural/societal impetus to keep the Consensus "Japanese." The DPJ, the current party in power, won on that implicit platform precisely because many people felt that there was something being lost in Junichiro Koizumi's attempt to move toward a stronger free market economy. As if some ineffable part of Japanese society was being torn assunder.

The writers of Ghost in the Shell: 2nd Gig did a good job of tapping the immigration anxiety issue by projecting it into the future and turning it into a refugee issue. Even in that Alternative History where Japan is well-off and Europe/America has lost considerable power, there's still an overwhelming distrust of the foreign.

So it must be a cultural issue right? If the Japanese only opened up a bit more things would be better? Eh....

3.) Then you got the Sociological problem.

Anyone ever here about the problem of パラサイトシングル/Parasite Singles? Its when you get people 30 year olds who are still living at home not because they lost their job or they went back to school and need help with rent or something like that.

These are folks who refuse to leave home since they can easily live a carefree existence. Consider it a post-college 2nd Childhood. Whereas their parents/grandparents during their time periods got married and got jobs, this doesn't seem to be on the "to-do" list of the Parasite Single, at least not immediately.

The issue this causes is that it increases the Average age of Marriage, Decreases the birth rate since they are getting married later on, which decreases the population rate.

Feed that into the Immigration and Political issues and add 2 more problems

1.) rapidly aging population that needs to be cared for

2.) drop in productive educational endeavors (Japanese grads veering into things like the fashion industry or entertainment leaving holes in mathematics, science, and engineering).

And you've got yourself a Time Bomb.


This isn't the time to be thinking about Anime. Its time to try and save the country.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 12:45 pm Reply with quote
Wu Ming wrote:
(A lot of good stuffs on how things gone bad in Japan with an end note)

And you've got yourself a Time Bomb.


This isn't the time to be thinking about Anime. Its time to try and save the country.
I also wonder which will fail first; the Japanese society as a whole acting like a Time Bomb ticking away? Or their inflexible economy of rising Yen? Which can spell yet another global economic crisis when one sets off the other:
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... The dollar and the yen were the only major currencies that strengthened during the crisis and that alone gave de facto status to each as a safe haven currency. But as the dislocations in the financial system have lessened so has the safe haven benefit to the dollar. Not so, or not nearly so much, for the yen. Why has the Japanese currency retained more of its crisis enhanced quality?

... Perhaps investors expect the Japanese economy to recover earlier than the United States or Europe. Japan is still the second largest economy in the world and its position in Asia and as a supplier to China, the largest industrial country to sustain strong economic growth, could help restore the Japanese economy. But in reality the Japanese economy has been underperforming for more than a 15 years throughout the economic rise of China. Japanese decline is largely due to internal factors, including expensive and protected consumer and agricultural sectors, bureaucratic and regulatory control of much of the economy, pointless and never ending domestic spending and a stultified political system that inhibited most change.

... Yet the policy prescriptions of the DPJ do not give the impression of de-regulatory pro-growth, consumer centered plans for Japan’s economy. Japanese public debt is the highest in the industrialized world at 170% of GDP. Yet the election platform of the DPJ, with its Keynesian emphasis on government spending and its vague anti-capitalist and anti-globalization stances seems particularly ill-suited to reviving the world’s largest export dependant economy.

... The equation of a stronger yen with financial turmoil was not due to the inherent strength and security of the Japanese economy but to the bubble markets in the carry trade and yen funding. The yen did not rise because traders sought the safety of Japanese investments. The yen rose because the currency markets were overwhelmed by the unwinding of the carry trade and yen funding positions.

... Yen strength, to borrow a phrase, prospered in a fit of absence of mind. The tremendous force of the deleveraging carry trade raised the yen to its current heights. But those forces were one way, buying the yen to close shorts but not opening new long positions which would later have to be reversed in their turn.


We got the "short fuse" of a Japanese short-term economic solution, and the "itchy trigger finger" of an ever depressed Japanese populace. All we need now is "a fit of absence of mind" of a Japanese government, in order to blow this whole Japanese society rig right in front of our faces. Shocked And it doesn't seem to me that they're running on short supply in that department.
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I think the government could consider Microcredit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microcredit) as one of the options to pull the unemployed out of poverty.

Free TV screenings could also help alleviate depression. Eliminating kanji from the curriculum and using furigana for everything would reduce the pressure on students, especially since it's quite useless anyway - most native speakers forget about 50% of their 1945 kanji within several years.
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