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Mune
Joined: 20 May 2004
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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 8:10 am
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Copyright laws in Japan are fairly strict in these types of cases. They have no such thing as Fair Use. Being a YouTuber must be way more difficult in Japan, especially if they want to make any money.
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allnightclerk
Joined: 24 Sep 2022
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Location: Osaka, Japan
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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 1:41 pm
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Mune wrote: | Copyright laws in Japan are fairly strict in these types of cases. They have no such thing as Fair Use. Being a YouTuber must be way more difficult in Japan, especially if they want to make any money. |
At least half of the top 10 female streamers currently are Japanese. They just have to follow the rules and get permission from companies to stream their games. It sounds like this guy did not do that, in addition to uploading actual anime on his channel for some reason.
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Top Gun
Joined: 28 Sep 2007
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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 3:04 pm
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Two years. For uploading gameplay footage.
Copyright law is psychotic.
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Philmister978
Joined: 12 Jun 2011
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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 7:09 pm
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Top Gun wrote: | Two years. For uploading gameplay footage.
Copyright law is psychotic. |
Oh Japan's is draconian, Even leaving aside this case, parodies there have to be respectful to the source, hence why episode 1 of the Osomatsu-San remake can only be found on sites with... questionable reputation now as official sources had it scrubbed. And that pretty much goes with any media being referenced/parodied, regardless of it being Japanese, American, or European in origin.
In contrast to China where it's practically nonexistent, and the US and Europe where it's more haphazardly applied, Japan really sucks when it comes to how copyright is concerned. And let's not forget how they can target literally anyone, regardless of location, if the incident with Sega some time back is any indication.
Long story short is that Copyright laws suck no matter where you are, and there's nothing anyone can do about it because, at the end of the day, money is the end-all, be-all in situations like this.
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Kadmos1
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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 8:41 pm
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I don't get a Japanese rights-holder might go after this but not necessarily doujinshi.
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KlarkKentThe3rd
Joined: 21 Dec 2010
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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 9:18 pm
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The people with the most money (those tend to own corporations) always tell the government to create laws which benefit them only, and take more freedoms from everyone else. And nobody cares unless if affects YOU one day.
That was my totally original take.
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light turner
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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 9:29 pm
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Kadmos1 wrote: | I don't get a Japanese rights-holder might go after this but not necessarily doujinshi. |
They could if they want to, but doujinshi are original artwork by the creator and aren't a substitute for the original IP its based on. Uploading a let's play of visual novel isn't really transformative since visual novels especially don't really have gameplay and are just reading a book.
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Kadmos1
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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 9:44 pm
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light turner wrote: |
Kadmos1 wrote: | I don't get a Japanese rights-holder might go after this but not necessarily doujinshi. |
They could if they want to, but doujinshi are original artwork by the creator and aren't a substitute for the original IP its based on. Uploading a let's play of visual novel isn't really transformative since visual novels especially don't really have gameplay and are just reading a book. |
There are original doujinshi and then there are doujinshi based off of est. IP. My prev. post was regarding the latter.
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omegafinal
Joined: 13 Jul 2005
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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 11:59 pm
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Kadmos1 wrote: | I don't get a Japanese rights-holder might go after this but not necessarily doujinshi. |
For doujins, and especially if they are being sold at a place like Comic Market, there are strict rules from what I can remember from a panel. Like they only have a limit print run and little to no profit can be made from it. Basically covering the cost of printing, not sure if it includes getting the booth and all that. I think there were a few cases where a sale of a doujin was stopped.
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kgw
Joined: 22 Jul 2004
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Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2023 9:07 am
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Let's us remind that Nobuhiro Watsuki was just fined with 200,000 yen.
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Meongantuk
Joined: 03 Jun 2016
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Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2023 9:51 am
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Kadmos1 wrote: | I don't get a Japanese rights-holder might go after this but not necessarily doujinshi. |
Like streaming, various companies has set up their own doujin guidelines. As long as you follow their rules, they won't after you and sometimes even recruit you to do works for them. One of the biggest taboo in doujin works are using official assets (logo, art assets (sprites, illustrations, GUI), screenshots, music, etc) and making things that might get confused to be a real thing. These two reasons are also why Nintendo is so trigger happy striking fan games.
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NeverConvex
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Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2023 10:04 am
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kgw wrote: | Let's us remind that Nobuhiro Watsuki was just fined with 200,000 yen. |
Yeah, not that uploading whole anime episodes or videogame content when not approved by the creators/owners of those works is OK, but contrasting the severity of punishments in these two cases is pretty wild, and depressing..
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Rob19ny
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Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2023 9:58 am
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kgw wrote: | Let's us remind that Nobuhiro Watsuki was just fined with 200,000 yen. |
I only clicked on the comments to see who would be the chosen one to be so predictable and not say anything related to the article. Do you know anything else? (rhetoric)
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kgw
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Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2023 10:39 am
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Rob19ny wrote: |
I only clicked on the comments to see who would be the chosen one to be so predictable and not say anything related to the article. Do you know anything else? (rhetoric) |
That whining about other people's comment is NOT related to the article, too.
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Avec ou Nous
Joined: 17 Feb 2023
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Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2023 3:26 pm
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NeverConvex wrote: | Yeah, not that uploading whole anime episodes or videogame content when not approved by the creators/owners of those works is OK, but contrasting the severity of punishments in these two cases is pretty wild, and depressing.. |
Fines are not meant to be a 'punishment' or some kind of power level scaling for the severity of a crime. Fines are based on how much monetary damages you're causing or used as compensation for victims. Screwing with big companies when it comes to copyright infringement and piracy is a pretty big loss in revenue, at least that's their argument they always make. That's gonna cost a lot more money than a personal crime.
Although if we're being honest a fine of 1 million yen is still pretty low all things considered. In America you can be slapped with half a million dollars in fines for downloading music illegally. It's all about the theoretical monetary damage you cause.
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