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Blanchimont
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Posted: Wed May 17, 2023 11:15 pm
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Unfortunately there's no fair use exception in Japanese copyright law...
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Icey
Joined: 19 Jun 2020
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Posted: Wed May 17, 2023 11:42 pm
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Quote: | The video that allegedly violated Nitroplus and Kadokawa's guidelines is reportedly an almost hour-long "Jikkyō Play" (somewhat analogous to "Let's Play" videos in the English-speaking sphere), and had more than 800,000,000 views. |
This is a mistranslation. There's not a single gameplay video out there with half of these views, especially not a Japanese one. The source text said:
Quote: | ゲーム実況の視聴者数は全世界で8億人に上る。ゲーム各社は投稿に当たって一定の条件を示しており、配信者が企業側の... |
It's talking about how many people watch let's plays all around the world, not how many people watched this one video.
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ViviP
Joined: 26 Apr 2023
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Posted: Thu May 18, 2023 12:30 am
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Am I right in my understanding that youtube is completely free of responsibility? Apparently uploading the wrong videos is so heinous that the maniac needed to be taken off the streets, but his accomplice that provided him with a platform for doing so and helped him monetise his dirty deeds is given a pass?
Seems to me that forcing youtube to follow the dumb rules would be a lot more effective than trying to larp as Stalin.
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JohnHawk
Joined: 22 Apr 2015
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Posted: Thu May 18, 2023 12:38 am
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"and had more than 800,000,000 views. "
Bro this is either a typo for probably closer to 80k or some weird shit was going on with that channel because 800 million views is not a real number for this kind of content let's be honest that's 5-6x the population of Japan.
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Egan Loo
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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Posted: Thu May 18, 2023 12:51 am
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JohnHawk wrote: | "and had more than 800,000,000 views. "
Bro this is either a typo for probably closer to 80k or some weird shit was going on with that channel because 800 million views is not a real number for this kind of content let's be honest that's 5-6x the population of Japan. |
According to Nikkei, this number is for views worldwide, not just Japan:
ゲーム実況の視聴者数は全世界で8億人に上る。
Although Nikkei does not specify if the views are for one video or all the videos.
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The_Daytona_500
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Posted: Thu May 18, 2023 12:55 am
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Blanchimont wrote: | Unfortunately there's no fair use exception in Japanese copyright law... |
Uploading full anime episodes is not fair use and enabling monetization on said episodes is illegal no matter what country you’re in, except maybe Somalia.
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SciasSlash
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Posted: Thu May 18, 2023 1:18 am
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It's illegal, but nobody in America is getting arrested over uploading them to Youtube. Download sites, yeah, but if you upload them to youtube they just get taken down.
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theotheranimeman
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Posted: Thu May 18, 2023 5:22 am
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So, the gist of it all is "The copyright infringement guidelines are unclear and every media company has their own variation of them, but they arrested the guy anyway"?
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Blanchimont
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Posted: Thu May 18, 2023 5:50 am
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The_Daytona_500 wrote: | Uploading full anime episodes is not fair use and enabling monetization on said episodes is illegal no matter what country you’re in, except maybe Somalia. |
He might have, but the article only said he uploaded 'footage', not in which context(full/parts of episode, commentary, etc.). The main point the article talks about is the 'Let's Play' video (gaming footage).
ViviP wrote: | Am I right in my understanding that youtube is completely free of responsibility? Apparently uploading the wrong videos is so heinous that the maniac needed to be taken off the streets, but his accomplice that provided him with a platform for doing so and helped him monetise his dirty deeds is given a pass?
Seems to me that forcing youtube to follow the dumb rules would be a lot more effective than trying to larp as Stalin. |
Section 230 protects YouTube. If they weren't made aware the uploaded material was illegal, what were they supposed to do?
Quote: | What is Section 230 principle?
No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider. |
If ^that principle isn't upheld, simply hosting a social media platform becomes untenable.
It's a different thing if they WERE notified and didn't do anything.
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ViviP
Joined: 26 Apr 2023
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Posted: Thu May 18, 2023 8:23 am
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Does youtube’s system of monetisation have no oversight? Can anybody get ads stuck on their videos and get sent money no questions asked? Are companies that advertise on youtube happy to have their products attached to potential ‘illegal content’?
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KefkaesqueXIII
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Posted: Thu May 18, 2023 10:01 am
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As much as I'm loathe to stand up for YT, hundreds of hours of content is uploaded to their site every minute. This is why they rely so heavily on automated systems to detect and respond to copyrighted and/or objectionable content. And when something slips through the automation, YT offers a suit of tools for manual claiming/reporting of content.
These systems are nowhere near perfect (just about any YouTuber can tell you that there needs to be more human staff to actually review counterclaims), but companies tend to be satisfied that YT is doing their due diligence under the law.
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gsilver
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Posted: Thu May 18, 2023 10:24 am
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Another example as to why Japan needs fair use laws, because in the US, it is clearly that.
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ninjamitsuki
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Posted: Thu May 18, 2023 4:16 pm
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...Couldn't they have just given a copyright strike/take down his channel like the rest of the world when someone uploads copyrighted stuff to YouTube?
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Hoppy800
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Posted: Thu May 18, 2023 4:34 pm
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It's Japan, not the rest of the world, common sense when it comes to copyright barely exists and as a result you get BS cases like this and the case of the Chibi Maruko-chan doujin being taken down. There's no sense of being arrested for a playthrough of a released game, heck no one got arrested for streaming TOTK a few days to a week before launch (some stayed up and many got taken down); you know your laws are terrible when NoA didn't stoop this low over a video game lets play.
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Avec ou Nous
Joined: 17 Feb 2023
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Posted: Thu May 18, 2023 5:56 pm
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And this is why Hololive/Game Center CX/other companies get permission before they play games.
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