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gedata
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Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:03 pm
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Quote: | I've been told that Stone Ocean and, two-thirds of the way through the story, and I cannot begin to fathom why. |
Not really sure what this is supposed to communicate. Seems like a case of "I accidentally a word" since something was mistakenly skipped.
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TheSleepyMonkey
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Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2022 1:25 pm
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I feel the whole take regarding the animation is a bit hyperbole. Stone Ocean has indeed been the weakest so far in terms of visuals, but to claim it "barely moves" is just a stretch. There are still plenty of great movements throughout.
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Lord Geo
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Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2022 2:18 pm
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gedata wrote: |
Quote: | I've been told that Stone Ocean and, two-thirds of the way through the story, and I cannot begin to fathom why. |
Not really sure what this is supposed to communicate. Seems like a case of "I accidentally a word" since something was mistakenly skipped. |
I'm pretty sure she meant "I've been told that Stone Ocean is the worst Part of JoJo and", since that was the common thread for pretty much any Part of JoJo to a lot of people outside of Japan until each one has gotten an anime. This was mainly because Parts 4-6 all had nothing better than extremely rough fan translations for the manga, which colored people's knowledge of those stories due to a lack of any proper translation. This is where "King Crimson just works" came from, as before the anime there was no really good translation to properly explain how that stand works in Part 5 (though, to be fair, King Crimson's power is one that makes perfect sense, but is tricky to actually put into words without getting long-winded & losing someone).
I doubt this will happen with Steel Ball Run if that gets an anime later on, though, as SBR has always had a good fan translation. It was just Parts 4-6 that had that unfortunate (& misunderstood) reputation for a long time.
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tintor2
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Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2022 2:34 pm
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First "Turtlareff" and now "Jotarots". The Stardust Crusdares were axed a lot.
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YuudiHoshi
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Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:04 pm
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There's still more movement in the Stone Ocean episodes (in terms of how it is, overall) than those of Diamond is Unbreakable & any of PB(1) or BT(2). I know that the CGI can be distracting when it comes to this as well. But, also, none of those really had scenes like that rotation shot of Jolyne in episode 3 - as Jotaro approached her in stopped-time.
I'm pretty positive thar the final cour & the next Part will shine through in respect to the sakuga - they practically require it, imo, at that rate I'm thinking
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khaos1019
Joined: 28 Nov 2007
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Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:30 pm
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Quote: | in practice things can start to feel a bit like Calvinball. |
Love the Calvin and Hobbes reference.
Stone Ocean is my 2nd favorite part of JoJo. I'm glad David Production has the time to work on it properly with this Netflix deal. Hopefully we don't have to wait too many years for Steel Ball Run....
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Matros
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Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2022 6:44 am
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YuudiHoshi wrote: | I'm pretty positive thar the final cour & the next Part will shine through in respect to the sakuga - they practically require it, imo, at that rate I'm thinking |
Considering the fact that the production is pretty dead behind the scenes we'll be lucky to have any competent sakuga on screen that doesn't struggle in the final cour.
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residentgrigo
Joined: 23 Dec 2007
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Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:03 am
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Blu-Ray listings confirm a 38 ep run btw. What a mess this adaptation is. The worst adaptation since the original run of Parts 1 and 2. At least they fumbled Part 6. The least good of the Stand Parts. The anime made Part 5 popular in the west. A legit turnaround. Part 6 is destined to stay a black sheep forever it seems.
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Stelman257
Joined: 26 Jul 2013
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Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2022 10:13 am
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Quote: | It's just… has JoJo's Bizarre Adventure always had so little actual animation, or has David Pro gotten overstretched these days? The animation in Stone Ocean is little more than a slideshow, just a step or two above a motion comic. Characters rarely move more than their mouths, maybe gesturing but almost never moving more than one limb at a time. Movement is more often expressed through backgrounds with action lines than animation. It's strange to see in a series so driven by action, with fight sequences that often span multiple episodes carrying most of the plot, especially one with an enormous audience, and it makes me wonder if something went sideways during production. |
I feel like the Netflix production schedule, or perhaps even just modern anime productions in general these days, have really hurt it yeah. Parts 1 and 2 definitely didn't have much animation, but Parts 3, 4 and 5 really stepped it up and felt ANIMATED. Especially 5 that had many episodes that looked gorgeous honestly. But even so, I think an element of "step or two above a motion comic" has always been part of the style DavidPro implement in some way for Jojo. Ever since so many fell in love with that for Parts 1 and 2.
Matros wrote: |
YuudiHoshi wrote: | I'm pretty positive that the final cour & the next Part will shine through in respect to the sakuga - they practically require it, imo, at that rate I'm thinking |
Considering the fact that the production is pretty dead behind the scenes we'll be lucky to have any competent sakuga on screen that doesn't struggle in the final cour. |
You got any kind of source for that? I've seen people say it before but everytime it sounds like it's just because they're angry about the use of CGI in parts of the show. If there's an actual source, I'd be curious to read how the production and Netflix's involvement for this series has been.
residentgrigo wrote: | Blu-Ray listings confirm a 38 ep run btw. What a mess this adaptation is. The worst adaptation since the original run of Parts 1 and 2. At least they fumbled Part 6. The least good of the Stand Parts. The anime made Part 5 popular in the west. A legit turnaround. Part 6 is destined to stay a black sheep forever it seems. |
This hasn't felt like a fumble at all honestly. Maybe not on the level of Parts 4 and 5, but easily as good or even a better adaptation than parts 1-3, when they were still figuring things out. Part 3 is arguably the worst adaptation in terms of the occasionally bizarre adaptation choice (DBZ auras?), and overstuffing the episode count forcing the pacing to drag.
But yeah, I guess if raw animation is all you care about, Parts 3 and 5 are the best.
Quote: | I've been told that Stone Ocean is the worst part of JoJos and, two-thirds of the way through the story, and I cannot begin to fathom why. (Well, I do have some guesses, but I'm not about to start casting aspersions in this review.) |
Ahaha yeah I never understood that either (though your insinuation was always my guess as well), beyond just parts 4, 5 and 6 having bad translations, because I've been loving all 3 so much. I will admit the Ultra Security Prison stuff did drag a bit, I can't believe Araki hyped up an Electric Chair, hit 2 people with it, and neither died, but every part has a fight or two that drags, that's nothing unique to Stone Ocean.
Completely agree with the assessment of the dub yeah (the highs and lows of it aha). Though with the added Netflix union contract to the Part 6 dub for the first time in Jojo I'm enjoying some of the outta left field castings in this dub. Dave Wittenberg, Dino Andrade even William Frederick Knight! Haven't heard him in anything other than Ghost in the Shell SAC in forever! Weather Report and Anasui also sound great in English too which I was happy to hear.
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all-tsun-and-no-dere
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Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2022 2:44 pm
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residentgrigo wrote: | Blu-Ray listings confirm a 38 ep run btw. What a mess this adaptation is. The worst adaptation since the original run of Parts 1 and 2. At least they fumbled Part 6. The least good of the Stand Parts. The anime made Part 5 popular in the west. A legit turnaround. Part 6 is destined to stay a black sheep forever it seems. |
Do you mind explaining this more? My friends who are longtime Jojo fans say that it's been very faithful to the manga so far, including one who is literally one of, if not the biggest Jojo fan in the US.
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Top Gun
Joined: 28 Sep 2007
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Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2022 10:04 pm
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It is amazing to me how little hype I've had for something I love so much all thanks to Netflix getting its grubby little paws on it and completely destroying the release model. This part hasn't really clicked with me in a big way so far, but I know for a fact that a big portion of that is how long of a gap it's been between episodes. Hell, I barely remember most of the specifics of the first batch.
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Covnam
Joined: 31 May 2005
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Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2022 11:58 pm
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Top Gun wrote: | It is amazing to me how little hype I've had for something I love so much all thanks to Netflix getting its grubby little paws on it and completely destroying the release model. This part hasn't really clicked with me in a big way so far, but I know for a fact that a big portion of that is how long of a gap it's been between episodes. Hell, I barely remember most of the specifics of the first batch. |
Still need to finish the previous part, but looking forward to just binging this once it's complete. This isn't a show I'd like to watch in bites.
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Joker#941490
Joined: 15 Aug 2022
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2022 11:05 am
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Stelman257 wrote: |
Quote: | It's just… has JoJo's Bizarre Adventure always had so little actual animation, or has David Pro gotten overstretched these days? The animation in Stone Ocean is little more than a slideshow, just a step or two above a motion comic. Characters rarely move more than their mouths, maybe gesturing but almost never moving more than one limb at a time. Movement is more often expressed through backgrounds with action lines than animation. It's strange to see in a series so driven by action, with fight sequences that often span multiple episodes carrying most of the plot, especially one with an enormous audience, and it makes me wonder if something went sideways during production. |
I feel like the Netflix production schedule, or perhaps even just modern anime productions in general these days, have really hurt it yeah. Parts 1 and 2 definitely didn't have much animation, but Parts 3, 4 and 5 really stepped it up and felt ANIMATED. Especially 5 that had many episodes that looked gorgeous honestly. But even so, I think an element of "step or two above a motion comic" has always been part of the style DavidPro implement in some way for Jojo. Ever since so many fell in love with that for Parts 1 and 2.
Matros wrote: |
YuudiHoshi wrote: | I'm pretty positive that the final cour & the next Part will shine through in respect to the sakuga - they practically require it, imo, at that rate I'm thinking |
Considering the fact that the production is pretty dead behind the scenes we'll be lucky to have any competent sakuga on screen that doesn't struggle in the final cour. |
You got any kind of source for that? I've seen people say it before but everytime it sounds like it's just because they're angry about the use of CGI in parts of the show. If there's an actual source, I'd be curious to read how the production and Netflix's involvement for this series has been.
residentgrigo wrote: | Blu-Ray listings confirm a 38 ep run btw. What a mess this adaptation is. The worst adaptation since the original run of Parts 1 and 2. At least they fumbled Part 6. The least good of the Stand Parts. The anime made Part 5 popular in the west. A legit turnaround. Part 6 is destined to stay a black sheep forever it seems. |
This hasn't felt like a fumble at all honestly. Maybe not on the level of Parts 4 and 5, but easily as good or even a better adaptation than parts 1-3, when they were still figuring things out. Part 3 is arguably the worst adaptation in terms of the occasionally bizarre adaptation choice (DBZ auras?), and overstuffing the episode count forcing the pacing to drag.
But yeah, I guess if raw animation is all you care about, Parts 3 and 5 are the best.
Quote: | I've been told that Stone Ocean is the worst part of JoJos and, two-thirds of the way through the story, and I cannot begin to fathom why. (Well, I do have some guesses, but I'm not about to start casting aspersions in this review.) |
Ahaha yeah I never understood that either (though your insinuation was always my guess as well), beyond just parts 4, 5 and 6 having bad translations, because I've been loving all 3 so much. I will admit the Ultra Security Prison stuff did drag a bit, I can't believe Araki hyped up an Electric Chair, hit 2 people with it, and neither died, but every part has a fight or two that drags, that's nothing unique to Stone Ocean.
Completely agree with the assessment of the dub yeah (the highs and lows of it aha). Though with the added Netflix union contract to the Part 6 dub for the first time in Jojo I'm enjoying some of the outta left field castings in this dub. Dave Wittenberg, Dino Andrade even William Frederick Knight! Haven't heard him in anything other than Ghost in the Shell SAC in forever! Weather Report and Anasui also sound great in English too which I was happy to hear. |
it's warner bros. japan who provide the schedule not netflix since they fund the anime with shueisha.
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Joker#941490
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2022 11:08 am
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Matros wrote: |
YuudiHoshi wrote: | I'm pretty positive thar the final cour & the next Part will shine through in respect to the sakuga - they practically require it, imo, at that rate I'm thinking |
Considering the fact that the production is pretty dead behind the scenes we'll be lucky to have any competent sakuga on screen that doesn't struggle in the final cour. |
how bad it is exactly because most anime productions have schedule issues more often.
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