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rizuchan
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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2022 9:17 am
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I'm probably just a nostalgic gen-wunner, but I'll always appreciate (game) Team Rocket for just being... down to earth? They're the Pokemon mafia, like the real mafia except they use Pokemon instead of guns. Every time the newer games make me stop exploring to go save the world, I find myself getting a little annoyed.
Also, while I do remember the whole Black and Blue thing as it happened, I'm finding it kind of hilarious in retrospect how Plasma is a evil group that uses a wholesome cause as a front, and PETA looked at that and said "it us!"
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Hal14
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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2022 10:08 am
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I like that the article mentions Johto team rocket. Too often I see people (and even TPC) treat Kanto rockets as the only team rocket.
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FilthyCasual
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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2022 10:58 am
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Quote: | N was right all along |
Pfft, that's like saying that all humans should be eradicated because some of them did mean things. N was a naive, ignorant tool and his cronies were sanctimonious holier-than-thou pricks who happily kidnapped Pokemon to satisfy their own egos. Forget justified, they weren't even right-aligned.
Team Rocket clears them easily.
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Niello
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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2022 11:47 am
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FilthyCasual wrote: |
Quote: | N was right all along |
Pfft, that's like saying that all humans just be eradicated because some of them did mean things. N was a naive, ignorant tool and his cronies were sanctimonious holier-than-thou pricks who happily kidnapped Pokemon to satisfy their own egos. Forget justified, they weren't even right-aligned.
Team Rocket clears them easily. |
All humans eradicated would totally be the best case scenario for the earth and its wildlife (pets excluded).
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FilthyCasual
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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2022 11:58 am
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Niello wrote: | All humans eradicated would totally be the best case scenario for the earth and its wildlife (pets excluded). |
okay lysandre
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blooperboy
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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:27 pm
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.....I believe that the article was saying that 'Hey N had a point. They were definitely not-so-nice-people but they did have a legit point.' Which is a far cry from 'all humans must die because nature.'
The, the whole POINT of N was that there are shades of grey, which the comment section seems to have IMMEDIATLY forgotten.
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Ryu Shoji
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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:44 pm
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FilthyCasual wrote: |
Quote: | N was right all along |
Pfft, that's like saying that all humans should be eradicated because some of them did mean things. N was a naive, ignorant tool and his cronies were sanctimonious holier-than-thou pricks who happily kidnapped Pokemon to satisfy their own egos. Forget justified, they weren't even right-aligned.
Team Rocket clears them easily. |
Of course N was naive and ignorant - because Ghetsis specifically conditioned him so that he would only develop one worldview. N was manipulated by only being allowed to see Pokémon that had been abused by humans, so that informed his view that all humans abused Pokémon. N meeting Hilda/Hilbert and realising that humans and Pokémon can have a more positive relationship is precisely the entire point of Pokémon Black and White.
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FilthyCasual
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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:10 pm
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blooperboy wrote: | .....I believe that the article was saying that 'Hey N had a point. They were definitely not-so-nice-people but they did have a legit point.' |
Yes, and it's wrong. Especially if you bring in manga adaptations, where all the Pokemon abandoned by trainers rused by Team Plasma are miserable at the separation, let alone the kidnapped ones.
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Xavon
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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2022 5:26 pm
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Amusingly, N is a take that at the hatedom that doesn't pay attention to (or deliberately ignore) the lore of the game.
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Cryten
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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2022 5:47 pm
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I think the list got it all sorted pretty well. Team Rocket was inocous for just being a crime team. At least it was honest. Team Plasma was attempt to introduce shades of grey in a medium that could not do anything but black and white and so was portrayed as naive at best or self destructive at worst. Then there was the teams that actually just wanted to help but was a home for the disaffected of the pokemon world.
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Villain-chan
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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2022 7:13 pm
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Team Rainbow Rocket's info is wrong. What's wrong is Team RR's evil leaders, including Giovanni himself, all hail from the worst timeline from their games meaning, they all accomplished their goals becus YOU weren't there to stop them or tried but failed. (Yes this means the mention that Maxi and Archie r the only two to accomplish their goals is not entirely accurate anymore as of SM.) This means that for the Team RR entry on this list Giovanni himself never lost to Red, how do u think he and every one of the leaders have Master Balls for their Legendary mon and Mewtwo itself?
Its becus Giovanni took over Silph. Corp and got Master Balls mass produced, caught Mewtwo and Giovanni most likely took over his own world, which iirc, he himself said he did and wanted to bring chaos to other dimensions too hence why he is here in Alola and made Team RR. U are right though about his aim being the UBs to take over the world, though its more other dimensions. Also, for the OG Team Rocket his goal was world domination, not just making money. This is further proven by the fact he wanted the Master Ball and had Mewtwo created and caught Mewtwo in the worst timeline thus giving us RR. (Though tis worth pointing out I don't think its ever been confirmed that he was the one who had Mewtwo created in the games so that bit comes from the anime, but the master ball and caught Mewtwo bit are in SM's Team RR episode)
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Snomaster1
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2022 4:52 am
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Here's the thing. I don't think I could ever justify anything the evil teams of the Pokemon world do. Some of them may have noble goals,but the evil and the hurt they cause is hard to justify in my mind. Team Rocket basically steals Pokemon from trainers and others. Can anyone imagine how the Pokemon might have felt about this? Most of the trainers treat their Pokemon well. I doubt that they'd really want to leave those trainers that cared about them.
Also,the teams that wanted to eliminate humanity from the planet,are the ones I can justify the least. There might have been humans that Pokemon might have liked and befriended. Can you imagine how they'd feel if one day that human they liked vanished from their lives? Like most humans,they'd be sad about it and wouldn't like the people who took the humans they liked and cared about from them very much. I genuinely can't find one thing to like about the villain teams in "Pokemon."
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Juno016
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2022 6:34 am
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Snomaster1 wrote: | Here's the thing. I don't think I could ever justify anything the evil teams of the Pokemon world do. Some of them may have noble goals,but the evil and the hurt they cause is hard to justify in my mind. |
But did Team Yell truly cause any hurt? Unless I'm forgetting any particular incident, I'm pretty sure most people in the world were just annoyed at how obnoxious they could get. Their goal was not exactly noble or ultimately great in scale, but the harm they caused was so minimal, it still comes off as a slightly annoying net positive overall.
Disclaimer: I am not a member of Team Yell and cannot be accused of bias. There are absolutely zero posters and figures of Marie/Marnie decorating my wall and I most certainly do not have my desktop wallpaper cycling through various fanarts of her and her Pokemon. Do not @ me.
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Snintendog
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2022 6:33 pm
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Lets make a better list
10. Team Flare
Narcissists all beholden to eternal Beauty and wanting to live forever at any cost. They are short sighted and Ugly beyond all Belief.
9. Neo Team Plasma
The Ghetsis Faction That Broke away From the N Faction. Prideful Liars that obfuscate the Truth of their nature by saying "they are thinking about the pokemon" while they perpetuate crimes against humanity and pokemon. Pretty Generic too, RULE THE WORLD. The most Competent of the teams though a VERY LOW BAR still.
8. Team Yell
You know twitter. That's what they are Completely Useless Flip Floppy needs someone else to tell them what to do no critical thinking falls for every bit of propaganda and ignores the truth. No Real damage other than peoples ears and just sheer stupidity. They are this high because they only Bring Marie down with them as she is the one that answers for their crimes.
7. Macro Cosmos
The literally DUMBEST TEAM by an absolute Galaxy Distance LIghtyears beyond some of the biggest idiots hell it isn't even NOBLE reasoning. they Only are at 7 because with a very very twisted view you could say they tried to be good. So lets go over the plot Energy isn't unlimited and in 500 years there might be an energy crisis that will wake up a deadly pokemon and wipe out everything okay okay so whats the plan...Wake it up 500 years early SUPER CHARGE IT WITH MORE ENERGY AND HAVE SOMEONE FIGHT IT TO PUT IT BACK TO SLEEP FOR "MORE TIME" TO PREPARE.....okay so you just used up a Frickton MORE energy to wake it up then you pumped even MORE into it just so you could have more TIME to formulate a better plan....Look 500 years is already a long time away and in that time alternate energy sources could be developed..that and pokemon seem to BREAK the law of Energy Conservation same with the natural Fruits of the world all of which have been being studied for a enmasse world wide the study of them have prompted way of SPACIAL and DIGITAL storage of both Living and Inanimate Objects. They do the EXACT opposite of what they want and actively self sabotage themselves at every turn.
6. Team Aqua
7.8 too much water. If it was just access to more fresh water ok good on you. Nope SALT WATER and unlike the fictional movies stated being Stranded at sea is a death sentence for 90% of land and air based Creatures. Humans may survive for a handful of generations but its unlikely to survive past 100 years Plants will die out on mass and the massive amounts carbon and nitrogen they have will seep into the ocean and atmosphere and we will be recreating Venus in a couple millennia.
5. Team Rocket
The Mafia all for personal gain nothing more nothing less. Just bad guys. At least they honest about it.
4. Team Plasma N Faction
Ideological wishes for pokemon to be happy truly mostly harmless and at times helpful. they were Pawns of the Ghetsis Faction many only realized this too late. They are willing to do minor terrorism and mischief for the sake of freeing pokemon and have cooled way the crap sown once Ghetsis and Neo are Pruned. Still very Naive and don't care for what Pokemon that oppose their wants. If it wasnt for their closed mindedness they would take the number 1 spot.
3. Team Magma
They Wish to expand the land at the cost of the sea...while a noble goal they are not that smart about it. While nowhere as stupid as Cosmos they get up there with their self sabotage and weird ideas on how to enact their plans such as setting a INLAND VOLCANO OFF.
2. Aether Foundation
90% are willing to help the pokemon they find and humans that need it, its that 10% that follow the Rich Creators Crazy Demands that We fight. We don't get much out of their Desires other than SCIENCE and Creepy Preservation tactics.
1. Team Skull
And here is the most relatable and most Justified Team...Trouble makers Delinquents the young that have gone wrong, Innocent and naive beyond it, not that bright, But The Leaders are Talented People Rejected by the world for their minor Failures. they no the feeling of Failure and how it can destroy People...they act as a form of Reformation Guzma says that if you want to be the leader BEAT ME after being successfully beating him your not welcome...you succeeded your not a failure the older members under stand this and they teach newer members with their limited knowledge until they take 1 of 2 paths. Continue being a failure and keep helping or succeed and grow more. Guzma still consider himself as a failure and still falls for the temptation to succeed when Aether came to him for their plans but after seeing the truth of aether he realizes he failed again and returns to Skull to continue his odd way of helping others like him. Team Aether after their evil part is pruned works with skull in a back room kind of deal taking in those that "Graduate". Honestly they are minor nuisances that keep criminal activities to minor Vandalism and petty theft they are very rarely violent and typically self sabotages their plans of crime. Over all the worst they did was dance at a sign and become a Meme. The Biggest Fake Gangsters Wannabes in a tight knit community of their own.
0.Team Galactic
Semi smart Semi Competent, Goal Utopia, PAWNS. The Team it self EATS up what Cyrus says as he Masterfully Plays and manipulates them thinking he will be able to right the wrongs of society. Do this small criminal act its for the Greater Good slowly transforms into Annihilate all that opposes me as he conditions his followers. All a means to HIS END Cyrus is an oddity he has no ambition of his own no wants other than the end of all things including himself. He cares for his team his pokemon his underlings even the player character...he seems just wrong, Broken. Depression doesn't fall here something undiagnosed is wrong with him and it gives much of the elder gods feel for one of their victims. He just wants END and nothing else. the team is what raises it up to this spot all duped for a better tomorrow thinking they are fixing issues. the the Zero spot is for the Outlier the one that doesn't Belong. The one that is Both the least and most justified they fight for everything and NOTHING.
-999. Team Rainbow rocket
is barely worth a mention its the league of Super villains with their logic stripped from them. The plan is not thought out with no cohesion.
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cfalcon
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2022 7:25 pm
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Cute article! I appreciate that you drew from additional sources like the Pokemon X + Y manga and Pokemon Masters Ex.
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