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justsomeaccount
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 Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 12:51 pm
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... why does he speak in Evangelion and AT Field language? Is that commonplace in there?
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Kevelinu
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:03 pm
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I am very concerned reading this...
Does it affect Doujinshi immidiately? What will happen to it?
To me the Doujinshi culture is so important and I am just...very worried.
What will happen now? 
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unitmikey
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:05 pm
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I have always been a strong advocate against things like illegal streaming/downloading and scanlations, but this is a completely different ballpark. I thought it was shown a very long time ago that the doujinshi and fan art market only help the fandom around a show or comic to grow.
So yeah, I agree with Akamatsu (who apparently is not-so-secretly an eva). I've always had a soft spot for his work, but I also think it's really cool that he is someone that is actually getting into the politics behind such subjects instead of sitting around complaining. Informing is good, but action is good too so keep it up dude.
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kiminobokuwa
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:07 pm
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| Kevelinu wrote: | I am very concerned reading this...
Does it affect Doujinshi immidiately? What will happen to it?
To me the Doujinshi culture is so important and I am just...very worried.
What will happen now? |
I don't think that would happen. Anime plays a big part in pixiv, doujinshi and other markets. If they do imply this to everything it would bring down profits for the anime industry in general. Therefore the chances of this happening is close to none. It's like every time someone creates an idea and copyrights it, it would no longer be available for anyone and that's not fair. The anime market is for those who can share their ideas with the world and not restrict them!! If the author of Negima needs supporters i'll be the first in line to help him!!
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Lemonchest
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:09 pm
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I look forward to the day the Japanese police move to clear the Occupy Comikat anti-TPP protests. It'll be the biggest social unrest event since the 1960s, & it'll be nerds fighting for the right to draw porn of their favourite cartoon characters. Make it so, Japan. Make it so.
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Kevelinu
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:11 pm
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| kiminobokuwa wrote: |
| Kevelinu wrote: | I am very concerned reading this...
Does it affect Doujinshi immidiately? What will happen to it?
To me the Doujinshi culture is so important and I am just...very worried.
What will happen now? |
I don't think that would happen. Anime plays a big part in pixiv, doujinshi and other markets. If they do imply this to everything it would bring down profits for the anime industry in general. Therefore the chances of this happening is close to none. It's like every time someone creates an idea and copyrights it, it would no longer be available for anyone and that's not fair. The anime market is for those who can share their ideas with the world and not restrict them!! If the author of Negima needs supporters i'll be the first in line to help him!! |
Well it would be dumb but doesn't it mean it WILL happen now that this law has passed? Is it not one direct affect of it?
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stonehand
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:29 pm
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Right now, we are at the point where the agreement has been reached. Next, it will go to the separate governments to study, then either approve or disapprove the agreement. In th US, Clinton and Sanders have come out against it. There are also several Republicans in the Senate who are having problems with the agreement. Their problem is there are no steps to deal with tarifs/VATs and money manipulation. So, it may not pass in the US. In Japan, it will go before the Diet, but since Abe's party has a majorityIt is expexted to pass.
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| kiminobokuwa wrote: |
| Kevelinu wrote: | I am very concerned reading this...
Does it affect Doujinshi immidiately? What will happen to it?
To me the Doujinshi culture is so important and I am just...very worried.
What will happen now? |
I don't think that would happen. Anime plays a big part in pixiv, doujinshi and other markets. If they do imply this to everything it would bring down profits for the anime industry in general. Therefore the chances of this happening is close to none. It's like every time someone creates an idea and copyrights it, it would no longer be available for anyone and that's not fair. The anime market is for those who can share their ideas with the world and not restrict them!! If the author of Negima needs supporters i'll be the first in line to help him!! |
Well it would be dumb but doesn't it mean it WILL happen now that this law has passed? Is it not one direct affect of it? |
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Kevelinu
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:42 pm
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And when it passes...Doujinshi is dommed?
Sorry, I don't know how stuff like that works.
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Puniyo
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:10 pm
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"...copyright infringement as a crime that can be prosecuted without the victim's consent..."
Does this take copyright control out of the actual copyright holder's hands or have I misunderstood this part?
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Hoppy800
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:22 pm
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Someone needs to get that tyrant Abe out of office, he's done almost nothing but irreparable damage to Japan. Hopefully the doujin mark goes through regardless if it passes or not because that mark could be the protections needed for the ultimate battle the 2020 Olympics and the censoring corporate tyrants of the IOC which also require Comiket to be a protected attraction.
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Greed1914
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:36 pm
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| Puniyo wrote: | | "...copyright infringement as a crime that can be prosecuted without the victim's consent..."
Does this take copyright control out of the actual copyright holder's hands or have I misunderstood this part? |
That seems to be the indication, and that is why Akamatsu, among others, is concerned. Events like Comiket are in violation of copyright law, but the rights holders either don't care or see it as beneficial. Basically, it would make copyright enforcement more like criminal enforcement in America, where the decision on whether to pursue charges actually rests with law enforcement and the prosecutor's office. Victims might say they do or don't want to press charges, but it actually isn't up to them.
What I would hope would happen is that law enforcement would focus on things like illegal video sites, and other things that the rights holders actually see as a problem, and not ignore the fact that things like Comiket and doujin stores have existed for years without rights owners raising a fuss. It's not like Comiket could have continued if the rights owners decided they wanted to enforce their rights.
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myskaros
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:42 pm
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| Kevelinu wrote: | | And when it passes...Doujinshi is dommed?
Sorry, I don't know how stuff like that works. |
As stated in the article, the agreement would change Japan's copyright laws such that someone can be prosecuted without the victim's consent. In other words, anyone can claim that a doujinshi is a copyright infringement and the author can be punished without the victim, the copyright holders of the original work, filing a complaint. It doesn't directly lead to doujinshi extinction, but all doujinshi authors are at risk for punitive action for publishing their derivative works.
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Kevelinu
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:45 pm
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| myskaros wrote: |
| Kevelinu wrote: | | And when it passes...Doujinshi is dommed?
Sorry, I don't know how stuff like that works. |
As stated in the article, the agreement would change Japan's copyright laws such that someone can be prosecuted without the victim's consent. In other words, anyone can claim that a doujinshi is a copyright infringement and the author can be punished without the victim, the copyright holders of the original work, filing a complaint. It doesn't directly lead to doujinshi extinction, but all doujinshi authors are at risk for punitive action for publishing their derivative works. |
But it is still possible that Doujinshi work will just not be included in the law because they know of its relevance for Japan? I hope?
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Greed1914
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:50 pm
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But it is still possible that Doujinshi work will just not be included in the law because they know of its relevance for Japan? I hope? |
Possible, yes, but it that would depend on politicians taking a hint from how the industry has viewed it until now. It seems like it should be glaringly obvious that there is no need to pursue Comiket or doujin stores when rights owners could have pretty easily put a stop to such things with the law as it currently exists and decided not to do so. Then again, politicians aren't known for paying attention to the obvious.
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dark13
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 3:06 pm
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| Greed1914 wrote: |
| Puniyo wrote: | | "...copyright infringement as a crime that can be prosecuted without the victim's consent..."
Does this take copyright control out of the actual copyright holder's hands or have I misunderstood this part? |
That seems to be the indication, and that is why Akamatsu, among others, is concerned. Events like Comiket are in violation of copyright law, but the rights holders either don't care or see it as beneficial. Basically, it would make copyright enforcement more like criminal enforcement in America, where the decision on whether to pursue charges actually rests with law enforcement and the prosecutor's office. Victims might say they do or don't want to press charges, but it actually isn't up to them.
What I would hope would happen is that law enforcement would focus on things like illegal video sites, and other things that the rights holders actually see as a problem, and not ignore the fact that things like Comiket and doujin stores have existed for years without rights owners raising a fuss. It's not like Comiket could have continued if the rights owners decided they wanted to enforce their rights. |
then those so called legal sits have to fix their subscription fees since not everyone is a millionaire and can afford the monthly fees of the anime and manga that they want to buy on tell they fix that I would proudly watch anime illegal the last thing I want is to go through another pay well after a hard day of work
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