Forum - View topicFansubbing Ethics From A Real Point Of View
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thewhitehawk
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First off i'd like to say that out of all fansub groups Anime-Junkies is the worst one. Why? Well they don't respect any licenses and they rush through their work. Of course there are bunches of leechers that support them which explains all the emails this website got in response to the article. Fansubbing has had a lot of phases. In the tape era they respected licenses a little more but at the same time they sold tapes. Nowadays with digital fansubbing it's easier to do that same job. Digital Fansubbing wasn't too bad when it first started... I used to work for Soldats... I did disagree with things they did but they always respected licenses... and did quality work... Same goes for fansub groups like Elite-Fansubs... and Anime-Empire... But now we have tons of new groups... most of them are very new to all of this... and with the new groups brought in new fans who are also new to all of this... My group, the Hawks isn't a perfect group by any means but 99 percent of the stuff we do is unlicensed. We do anime and manga so I often have to defend what we do to the elitist manga community... And a valid point is okay anime junkies is subbing licensed anime but that comment their leader made shows that as a whole their group doesn't deserve respect... A group is only as good as it's leader... Another thing i want to say is 70 percent of the fansub groups out now weren't even around in 2001 when i started working with Soldats. So please don't fall into the trap of letting newbies give you all the info you want about fansubs. The bottomline is there are real fansub groups and then fake ones with no ethics... People in the scene know who's real and who's not. Thanks for your time. And I hope my unedited rambling makes sense to someone out there. -thewhitehawk
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Yuki555
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Who would you say is one of the good group then? I don't know where to get fansub, most are borrowed from my friend and they all got it off kazaa.
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jmays
ANN Past Staff
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Welcome to the ANN forums! ^_^
It's nice to hear a calm, collected opinion from someone who'd been personally involved in fansubbing. Unfortunately, the timing's a little poor as most of us are exhausted from the recent fansub discussions. So don't expect too many comments right now... If you'd like to talk more about fansubs, it would probably be wise to hold off for a little while until everyone's had a chance to recover from the threads with 400+ replies and tens of thousands of page views. Of course, that's just my opinion. Feel free to go ahead anyways. =) -Miagi |
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Dan42
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Gah, not another thread about fansubs. Well... it *does* bring an interesting point about the high turnover among fansubbers. This has always intrigued me somewhat. Most of the groups I see today seem to be pretty darn young, and even the "older" ones like elite-fansubs are not very old. One might argue that this is simply because digital fansubbing is not very old, but besides that I also see signs of rapid "aging". elite-fansubs used to churn out fansubs at a crazy pace, but nowadays it seems they have scaled back their activities. And I see the same thing happening with most groups. It seems every group starts with an intense burst of activity and then quickly fades away. Is it because most groups come together with the purpose of fansubbing one particular anime and then lose momentum when that anime is finished? Do they just get bored of fansubbing? What *is* it with that high turnover?
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jmays
ANN Past Staff
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I think it's boredom...short attention spans are quite an epidemic.
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shintopriestess
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Wowow nearly a week before someone started a fansub thread. But since an honest question was asked by Dan42 and a sarcastic reply was posted... I might be able to shed some light to it. Talking to many of the groups alot of the new groups have been recently formed by some of the main groups having some type of conflict and a translator here, a editor their form a new group and get a distro setup. A majority of the facts why the titles slow down is actually do to a heavy problem with finding japanese translators and encoders. Many who helped do those 'massive' releases tend to move on once they gain enough skill and knowledge by using fansubbing as a way to improve these. *skips any aj or pro/con fansub remarks* Their are some groups that start out new with odd fonts, rezzed scenes, etc but they also make up for it by providing a glimpse at titles and special series you cant get in the US so its always a pro and con.   
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jmays
ANN Past Staff
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*Grumble* T'was not sarcastic; I believe short attention spans, combined with obsession/burnout, contribute to a number of problems in the Internet age, whether it's people who don't feel comfortable unless they're multitalking with thirty windows open or the fansubber who gets bored from timing subtitles ten hours a day. I think the solution is to have a bit more balance in life--if you don't obsess on one thing alone, you're less likely to burn out and lose interest in something you once loved. |
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Shouta
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The high turnover rate is in part to the fact that a lot of people get fed up with the situation at hand within groups. They get too bloated, communication breaks down, huge disagreeements occurr, and etc. The need for Japanese translators has always been there but this high turnover hasn't. If you talk to a lot of former digisubbers, they'll tell you why. I know several that are rather fed up with the community. Solid communication and members that are on the same page are really required for digisubbing. My group consolidated from 12 to 3 members over the period of a year.
As for high rate production groups, their subs have a huge tendency to be bad. Most people don't care though which irks me. Edit: And what's with the prententious thread title? =P |
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shintopriestess
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Who knows.. I've read manga from Hawks group and needless to say my 'collection' of their titles range far and few.  But its cute, it almost sounds like a shameless plug to gain pro-industry supporters (note: I'm not being sarcastic but when a person for a manga translation group posts how their group does 99% unlicensed stuff, etc. )
Fun part is I hang out in over 2 IRC networks (3 on occasion) and sit in well over 40 fansub rooms and as I posted alot of groups slow down from translators leaving, editors vanishing or as stated internal arguments. The people I've spoke to and seen are more fed up with how people coming to fansub channels flood and rape servers endlessly and dont do anything to give back. Thats pretty much why alot of channels adopted BT so fans will share.  Then again I wanna be like Ash Ketchum and collect all the fansubs I can
I'm already over 500 vcd's...
OHHHHHHHHHH forgot  Riddle me this, riddle me that what do you call levity not taken as that
Answer: Minagi when someone says they were sarcastic
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shintopriestess
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Damn I spelled your name wrong... Anyhow I can tell you this from experience. Creating fansubs is hardly boring its as I found out a rather unique art. See, I tried to apply to do editing for a fansub group and the work and dedication you need is rather extreme... boring isnt what I call it, more like a severe Otaku  I spent two days doing my test of translating a Korean anime title that was translated to English which I had to sit and translate to English while preserving the Japanese language speech patterns.
Boring.. hardly What was boring is when you fail like I did 
Then you really get your spirits down  Rant on Rant off.... Radon
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Tempest
 I Run this place.ANN Publisher  Posts: 10463 Location: Do not message me for support. |
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Hmm, slightely OT, but do you feel that pro-industry is anti-fansub? |
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Shouta
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To throw my two cents in, while the two aren't synonymous they have been going hand in hand as of late. I expect it (it being a slight bias against fansubs in support of the industry) somewhat from people affiliated with websites and such but the general internet populace has been rapidly changing to be against fansubs period. While it's understandable to be new to the scene, it's still rather frightening especially considering the atmosphere only 4 or 5 years ago wasn't anything like this. There's just fewer and fewer people who have walked both sides and have the experience to be pro for both. It's quite a big problem with digisubbers in general as well as new fans introduced into anime exposure to domesticated material. |
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thewhitehawk
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I know how it is to be bombarded with work in fansubbing... It sucks really... When I was in Soldats they kind of wanted me to edit no matter what... even though i had school work to do... It was a very stressful situation. But I took that experience and created my own group... We've been together since 2001 and the few people we lost was never because we made them slave for us... Our policy is life comes first and help us when you can... And I'm sure there are other groups out there who apply the same policy to their group... That way fansubbing stays fun and isn't a burden... What I have noticed is that a lot of good talent gets wasted away on groups who make those people slave for them... I know that not everybody has seen or read our releases... And when I said 99 percent I wanted to be fair... We are a great group but there are others who are model fansub groups... I however have an obligation to our fans... And to further clarify we don't sub something that is licensed... just sometimes we'll let people distro previous projects we did that were licensed... Even though we don't sub it anymore... So that's the 1 percent... Anyway It was nice to make a post and not get slammed for supporting fansubbing. ^^ -thewhitehawk
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shintopriestess
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Getting bored I haven't read the most recent posting. That and since I dont wish to post a link to another site I will point to Google and nod alot. If you check Season's 1-3 of Grappler Baki are available in the US on DVD for about forty dollars per 3 dvd set. These have English subtitles...
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Steventheeunuch
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Umm... I hope these arent the ones with chinese subtitles to, often refered to bootlegs (which, it just so happens, they are) |
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