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minakichan
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Rivkah, Svet, AKG, and Nyanko-chan.
This will be SO HOT. |
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Viga_of_stars
 Posts: 1240 Location: Washington D.C. in the Anime Atelier |
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true dat! i glad american manga-ka are getting more in the spotlight. the first generation of manga ka! |
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Successful_Troll
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Gah! Why do they keep calling them mangaka? They aren't mangaka. They're just americans drawing comics. That's it. And most of the ones I've read so far if they didn't sort of look like manga no one would buy them.
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Drowning_Wolf
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My, I didn't even know that Dramacon wasn't japanese! I think it's pretty cool to see more and more manga-inspired comic (One day Im pretty sure they'll be accepted as manga too) and the book could be quite interesting.
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jgreen
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Nothing from Fred Perry, Ben Dunn, or anyone else at Antarctic Press? Wotta rip.
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The Xenos
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I really gotta be careful not to come across as a troll, but I really can't stand this trend of calling American work manga. I don't think it's an honest way to market these comics.
Manga is Japanese comics. A mangaka is a Japanese comics creator. That's it. There is no manga style and unless you publish in Japan, you are not a mangaka. Anything else is marketing BS just to jump on a bandwagon of buzz around the word manga. Anyone with a memory of the market and history of manga for more than five years can tell you this.
Why would you think it's Japanese? It's not printed left to right and Svetlana Chmakova sure the hell doesn't sound like a Japanese name. Are fans this easily fooled by Tokyopop? Please people think before you buy. Now I'm NOT saying to not purchase books by these people or Tokyopop. I'm NOT saying they're bad. All I am saying is to be informed and know what you're buying. I don't think they should ever be accepted as manga. They should be accepted as American work and stand on their own merits. Why do American artists have to ride on the coat tails of manga popularity? It's almost like saying American creators are inferior and we need to emulate manga to be noticed. Bullcrap. Of course the crazy thing is that many of these people work in the American comic book instustry already. Adam Warren? I've been reading his comics for years. "Tania del Rio (Sabrina the Teenage Witch, Josie and the Pussycats, Archie Comics)" How can somone working for Archie comics on characters even my mom read as comics be considered a mangaka? Bullcrap. Total bullcrap. They are an artist. Period. Are they a good artist? Well, that's for you to read their book and judge. Calling them a mangaka is just nonsense. America needs to find its own identity in creating comics and quit trying to emulate Japan. Oh hey, let's ignore the comic industry aleardy in this country and go for the cheaper format that's called 'manga' (even though it only half emulates how manga is published in Japan). There already is a comic book industry in this country. Tokyopop and many abusing the term manga want you to forget that. There are professionals who have been working in it for decades and yet these people get a spotlight beause they call themselves by a Japanese name? That's cheap. I always like to bring up that Frank Miller was influenced by manga years before all these Jonny-come-latelys showed up. In particular, he loves Lone Wolf and Cub. Now I don't see the art of any of these American 'mangaka' looking like the detailed art of Lone Wolf and Cub. I also sure the hell don't see Frank Miller calling himself a 'mangaka'. It's good to be fans of the house that Tezuka built. I love manga too. Yet to ignore the house that Eisner and others built here in America and abandon it to pretend to be Japanese as American artists is disgusting.
THANK YOU! I'm glad not everyone is fooled by the simpleton marketing of people like Tokyopop. |
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The Xenos
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First generation of manga ka? Um.. No. How does that make sense.. at all? They're not the first generation of mangaka as they've been many generations in Japan. Even if you maant to say American mangaka, that's also wrong because there have been gererations of both American comic artists and American comic artists influenced by Japanese artists. This has been going on for a long time. It's just that you and many others have ignored it. Just because you've gotten to the top of the mountain now, that doesn't mean you can ignore all the people already up there. |
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fuchikoma
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I'll toss in my vote for "These may be good comics, but they're comics, not manga."
Some people would think this is just discrimination, but I guess it depends how much being manga matters to you... being manga doesn't make it good, but it must be made in Japan to be manga. |
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Curtis W.
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Manga=Comic/Comic=Manga It is just like all things animated are Anime. You can't say that no one would buy them, I would. I think it is great, and I give them my full support on this.
What about manga in korea, China, and Tailand? Look at the definition Manga (漫画, Manga?) is the Japanese word for comics and print cartoons.-Wikipedia So your statement is false, they do not have to be made in japan to be a Manga as Manga is just the japanese word for comic. |
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Viga_of_stars
Posts: 1240 Location: Washington D.C. in the Anime Atelier |
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well fine maybe second gen of AMERICAN manga ka. i dont read antartic press that often and they been around for 20+ yrs. and IM NOT COUNTING AMERICAN COMIC ARTIST JUST THE ONES WHO DO MANGA-LIKE STYLE! |
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jgreen
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Man, this argument looks mighty familiar.... 
We got in this discussion before, of course, and I see no need to repeat myself, but yes, I agree.
I'd be interested to see the sales figures, but I bet that these "global manga" titles that Tokyopop puts out probably can't hold a candle to the sales of most mainstream comics, I'd wager.
Those manga-style Archie comics are total bullcrap.  I snagged an issue of Archie not that long ago that had a pretty standard Archie story, a Katy Keene story with absolutely AWESOME old school American good-girl art (go, Andrew Pepoy!), and a manga-style Sabrina story that was just downright awful. It was so horribly derivative, and had nothing to do with "manga" other than the characters having big eyes.
What 99% of these American "manga" artists don't take into consideration is the storytelling techniques that the Japanese authors utilize. Adam Warren and Fred Perry get it...and the American artists who like manga but don't draw manga style, such as Frank Miller and Erik Larsen, certainly get it. Not to be mean, but Tania Del Rio does not get it. |
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elinwinkler
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The current generation of American manga artists is probably more like the fourth generation.
First Gen: Ben Dunn, Lea Hernandez, Colleen Doran, Frank Miller, Wendy Pini, Adam Warren, Tim Eldred, Rikki and Tavisha Simons (and it is SIMONS, not SIMMONS, as the article claims), Reggie Byers. Late 1970's to the 1980's. Second Gen: Fred Perry, Joe Wight, Robert DeJesus, Dean Hsieh, Will Allison, Chynna Clugston, Dave Wilson, Bruce Lewis, Joe Madureira, Humberto Ramos, etc. The 1990's. Third Gen: Josh Lesnick, Diana Sprinkle, Michael Vega, PMBQ, Rod Espinosa, Locke, John Barrett, Jo Chen, etc. The late 1990's-early 2000's. Fourth Gen: Svetlana, Rivkah, M. Alice LeGrow, Tania del Rio, Corey Lewis, Tracy Williams, Elizabeth Cheng, Zel Harris, the rest of the TokyoPop Rising Stars of Manga crew, the WirePop.com crew, the webcomics folks. Mid-2000's to present. Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it. And yes, I know these are incomplete lists of creators, there's no way to list every single one of them, so I hit the highlights. --Elin (who was there, in 1990, when you could not get arrested if you drew in a manga style...) |
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jgreen
Posts: 1325 Location: St. Louis, MO |
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ha! Ain't that the truth... 
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HeeroTX
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I'm not sure I totally agree, but I "get" your delineation between first and second gen. I don't get the "basis" for the separation between 2nd and 3rd tho. (the 3rd and 4th makes perfect sense with the rise of TokyoPop) I'm just saying since the timing is practically the same (or at least overlapping) and I don't know if I'd say there is a different "view" on the material between those two "generations", it seems more like the "older members of gen 2 vs. the younger members". |
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elinwinkler
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Well, yes, there is naturally some overlap. But the younger part of Generation 2 should be seperate from the older part of Generation 2, hence why I delineated it as its own group. Basically, I based it more on when their work became noticed/publishing dates.
 Also, many of Generation 3 did fan works for the stuff created by Generation 2, and that was how they got their start- in the various anthology books like the Ninja High School and Gold Digger annuals/swimsuit issues, or the books that were published by people of Generation 1 and 2, such as MangaZine and Mangaphile. Most of Generation 3 rose to their prominence in the late 1990's, around 1997-98 and later, not really "breaking out" until the very early 2000's. Then of course, the webcomics scene and TokyoPop scene blew up huge, and voila, that's definitely a Generation 4 split there.
Until Generation 4, the first three generations sort of blurred into each other, with less clearly marked splits. --Elin edited by me for putting typos in the word "generation", guh... |
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