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omar235
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2006 11:32 am
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Does anyone know what year Hellsing takes place? and is Alucard Count Dracula?
Just so they dont lock this thread up because questions dont generate coversations, Which do you think is better the Hellsing series or the Hellsing Ultimate OAV episodes so far. I personally think the OAV is better because its got more action and Victoria isnt a wimp. Plus Alucard looks cooler.
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Space_cowboy64
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2006 2:28 pm
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Erm yea I prefer the Hellsing Ovas myself. I think they are more enjoyable and I was a little disappointed when I watched the Hellsing ultimate. Alucard is count Dracula. his name backwards of course as everyone knows spells d-r-a-c-u-l-a I believe there is a point in the last episode I believe where Incognito asks him who is he or something and Alucard just smiles, and I think that’s where we are suppose to go ahhhh he's actually dracula how cool. not sure though. But I hope this helps.
Almost forgot I believe it's set in modern time, now time. So its neither in the past or future but that’s my guess.
Don’t worry England doesn’t have that many vampires
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omar235
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2006 6:39 pm
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As the risk of sounding stupid; I knew Alucard is dracula backwards I was just making sure with someone else. I was wondering on the time periode because some posted a comment on another website saying "he couldn't wait to see victoria beat up some Nazi's.
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coolerimmortal
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2006 6:46 pm
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Space_cowboy64 wrote: | Erm yea I prefer the Hellsing Ovas myself. I think they are more enjoyable and I was a little disappointed when I watched the Hellsing ultimate.
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You do realize that the Hellsing OVA is the same thing as Hellsing Ultimate, correct, and that the full name is Hellsing Ultimate OVA Series, right?
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Code001
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2006 7:07 pm
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Well the .454 Casull was made in 1957 so it had to be after that.
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Nirvana
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2006 7:26 pm
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coolerimmortal wrote: |
Space_cowboy64 wrote: | Erm yea I prefer the Hellsing Ovas myself. I think they are more enjoyable and I was a little disappointed when I watched the Hellsing ultimate.
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You do realize that the Hellsing OVA is the same thing as Hellsing Ultimate, correct, and that the full name is Hellsing Ultimate OVA Series, right? |
Yeah he confused me on that lol
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Swordfish_II
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2006 7:42 pm
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omar235 wrote: | As the risk of sounding stupid; I knew Alucard is dracula backwards I was just making sure with someone else. I was wondering on the time periode because some posted a comment on another website saying "he couldn't wait to see victoria beat up some Nazi's. |
It's set in modern times. In the manga, the main villians are Neo Nazi vampires.
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Space_cowboy64
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2006 8:35 pm
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Nirvana wrote: |
coolerimmortal wrote: |
Space_cowboy64 wrote: | Erm yea I prefer the Hellsing Ovas myself. I think they are more enjoyable and I was a little disappointed when I watched the Hellsing ultimate.
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You do realize that the Hellsing OVA is the same thing as Hellsing Ultimate, correct, and that the full name is Hellsing Ultimate OVA Series, right? |
Yeah he confused me on that lol |
sorry i ment the hellsing tv series honest
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undeadben
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2006 9:26 pm
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Sorry not sure if I'm right about this but here are my thoughts. I think that by the palindrome name we as viewers were at least supposed to suspect a possible Dracula connection, if not that he was the legend himself.
These next points include parts from the show or I think they are if I remember correctly, so I'll wrap them in spoiler tags.
When we reach incognito, at one point I think Alucard pointed out the fact that Incognito's name was an enigma and that his own name was an anagram. While he did not say palindrome, or maybe he did all depends on whether the Japanese word is interchangable, still we should all have seen that Alucard is Dracula backwards.
In that same episode at one point we see an image of a sneering Alucard with a mustache, very similar to the way Vlad the Impaler is represented in many images. Also not sure if I can remeber this series too well, but I believe he also impaled Incognito and the image was again very much like some of the depictions of Vlad, that often time include victims impaled on large stakes or poles in the background. So I think by this point we are supposed to believe that he is the legend.
However, my Vlad/Dracula research was all done for fun and quite a few years ago so I'm not sure if I remember correctly and may be wrong on all counts.
ETA: Just after writing this post I took my lazy self to check some facts and found more info than is really needed however also this neat bit from a popular source; Alucard at one point refers to his age as being 567 years old, the series was created in 1998, which would put his birth at 1431, the same year Vlad was born. These anime creators really do their own research well!
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joel_s95387
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Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 12:04 am
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undeadben wrote: | ETA: Just after writing this post I took my lazy self to check some facts and found more info than is really needed however also this neat bit from a popular source; Alucard at one point refers to his age as being 567 years old, the series was created in 1998, which would put his birth at 1431, the same year Vlad was born. These anime creators really do their own research well! |
That is some great info right there.
Of course we all prefer Hellsing Ultimate. I believe that the only people who will vote for the TV instead of the OAV, are the people who haven't seen the OAV yet. But then again I might be wrong. Has Volume 2 even been released yet? It might be too soon to be comparing considering the OAV just came out and isn't completed yet.
Still, I think you need to see both of them to understand the bigger picture. For example, the question to why Alexander attacks Alucard and Seras when he meets them is answered in the OAV, but not why they were fighting there in the first place. The TV series had the homosexual guy in the building, yet they were only fighting Gouls in the OAV. I hope it made sense, I think I confused myself .
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jaybug39
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Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 12:26 am
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I hope you folks read the original book by Bram Stoker. I don't think it will detract from the love of Hellsing. But I think Hellsing differs in that Alucard was willing to serve humans, rather than serve them for dinner, I would not have that that possible from the book. But then we don't know how Lord Hellsing was able to imprison him do we?
I am also miffed in that I bought a Hellsing manga, and found it to be the TV series in print. I was hoping for more, not redundant.
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greatdevourer
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Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 1:21 am
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undeadben wrote: | ETA: Just after writing this post I took my lazy self to check some facts and found more info than is really needed however also this neat bit from a popular source; Alucard at one point refers to his age as being 567 years old, the series was created in 1998, which would put his birth at 1431, the same year Vlad was born. These anime creators really do their own research well! |
Then they go and bodge it up by giving someone the wrong title (iirc, should be Dame rather than Sir) :p
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joel_s95387
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Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 1:27 am
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What the hell was up with the Geneon DVD Hellsing TV subtitles referring to Alucard as "Arucard"? Did Scooby Doo write the subs?
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Hisdon
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Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 1:55 am
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joel_s95387 wrote: | What the hell was up with the Geneon DVD Hellsing TV subtitles referring to Alucard as "Arucard"? Did Scooby Doo write the subs? |
There is no L sound in Japanese so they make it the closest thing in their language, R. So, in Japanese his name is pronounced Arucard, so the subs are correct. It's the same reason Fooly Cooly is usually just called FLCL, cause half the people call it Furi Kuri and the other half Fooly Cooly.
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undeadben
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Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 1:57 am
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greatdevourer wrote: | Then they go and bodge it up by giving someone the wrong title (iirc, should be Dame rather than Sir) :p |
Actually I thought this was intentionally done in the series. If it was a botch then I guess it just goes to show that even with good homework done, mistakes are unnavoidable.
As well as larger holes like jaybug39 mentioned about the differences in the Bram Stoker Dracula tale. Vampire legends have been around for quite a while and everyone wants their own versions to stand out so I guess some of these types of inaccuracies can be explained as artistic freedom. Surely Stoker's Dracula would never follow anyone's will except his own, and much less the legendary Impaler himself.
joel_s95387 wrote: | What the hell was up with the Geneon DVD Hellsing TV subtitles referring to Alucard as "Arucard"? Did Scooby Doo write the subs? |
I saw this too, it always bothers me when subs misplace the 'L' and 'R' due to how the pronounciation sounds, instead of how things are supposed to be spelled. Maybe you're right and since his popularity has gone down, Scooby-doo is moonlighting as an anime subtitler and Hellsing wasn't the only one he worked on.
Oh, and about your prior post, I think you will be correct about the OVA being better if it continues well into Volume 2, and hopefully a third volume. Not only is the animation better but the story flows much crisper in the OVA, well, at least in what has been released so far.
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Hisdon wrote: | There is no L sound in Japanese so they make it the closest thing in their language, R. So, in Japanese his name is pronounced Arucard, so the subs are correct. It's the same reason Fooly Cooly is usually just called FLCL, cause half the people call it Furi Kuri and the other half Fooly Cooly. |
This is a much better explanation, but even the fact that there is no "L" sound, does not mean the name is not spelled with it, so I still think that in a sub which is intended for English language speakers they should write it as it is meant, to avoid confusion. If no one would have been aware that his name was Alucard then we would not have know what to look for in the palindrome association to Dracula.
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