Forum - View topicmyazaki+ mad spelling errors
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aprince
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I dont know if you all like Myazaki films or not, but I feel it is the Disney of anime. The voices are lame, the charictors are cliche to eachother, the visuals are dry, and it is kiddy to an extent
ie: the spiderdude from spirited away and the engenier man married to the pirate granny in castle in the sky look awfly familiour |
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Pleroma
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Comparing Miyazaki-san to disney is ridiculous. His works are widely recognized as the most superb pieces of animation ever made. Aside from pretty much flawless technique, his charaters are memorable and stories carry a message without being preachy.
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aprince
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I may not know much of his work. Castle in the sky, spirited away, princess monanoke, howls moving castle. Mabe he has more, but from what I seen the charictors dont have much detail in the way they look
to me anime is a movie with and art it has the movie aspect, but it could never be called true art! |
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Kouji
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Since when is being compared to Disney a bad thing, anyway? You do realize that anime itself was inspired by Disney and Mickey Mouse cartoons, right? *coughelitistbratcough*
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jaybug39
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Yup, used to be a time way back when, Disney was the only studio making full length animated movies. Every other animator was making short subject films, suitable to be shown before the featured attraction. Aside from also making the first "talkie." You could say he was state of the art back then. And with financing Pixar, they are still in the tops of all animators the world over.
As far as creativity, I believe Miyazaki and Walt Disney, may not be the height of that scale. They are both telling old stories, and to some, to new audiences as well. I think you are going to get "kiddy" if you are telling a story to as large an audience as possible. Porn may sell, but they aren't flocking to theatres to see it anymore, if ever. A fellow named William Shakespeare learned how to do this. He wrote for all people, the peasantry to the Queen herself. All would come away with something interesting. For example, the character Puck from "A Midsummer's Night Dream," was written for the "groundlings." The poorer people down on the ground floor who had to stand up for the whole play. They loved him, and school age kids love him still. But Puck is an integral part of the play, you would have an entirely different play without him. I wish you would have given an example of High Art anime, so we could say you're full of it for a reason, instead of telling you that you are full of it for no reason. For future reference, you spell "character" as such. |
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suna_suna
 Posts: 550 Location: Ohio |
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Its your opinion that Miyazaki-san's work is not "art" just as much as an opinion that Picasso is not art. But come on. Anything can be called true art by the person seeing it, even if the next man over thinks otherwise. But Miyazaki is different. his works are widely considered to be art. His movies have something that no other animated movie, anime or otherwise, can match up to. Forgive me for sounding like an old man but, Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. the way you see it is different from what i see. but, despite your opinion, his characters have an enormous amount of detail both visually and characterly as well.
Spelling is not in the eye of the beholder Last edited by suna_suna on Wed Apr 05, 2006 8:58 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Pleroma
Posts: 443 Location: Eromanga island |
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Just because disney insperid the likes of Osamu tezuka (Whose stuff I personally loathe BTW) does not mean much. Sorry, I have never enjoyed a Disney film even half as much as even the crappiest of animes. It has never appealed to me as an adult and even as a child I remember being unimpressed. (I actually enjoy Disney character deaths, I profoundly HATE their digustingly happy moralistic worlds.)
PS: Pixar (who can be pretty funny) and the technically disney (but leaps and bound above it) Nightmare Before Christmas don't count ^) |
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TwinSkies
Posts: 49 Location: Philippines |
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"Suspension of disbelief", dude!
To properly gauge a movie, you have to treat it as a stand alone product! Don't think of any outside influences when you see it. Just immerse yourself in the whole thing. If it has a novel, try to imagine the movie as an original piece rather than tying it to the book. If it resembles another movie in the same genre, try to see both, and see the differences. More importantly: The beauty of Miyazaki's style as compared to Disney's, from what I know, is far more subtle thana matr of visual art and basic plot Miyazaki delves into deeper messages, and while Disney films usually promote recurring values, such as the archetypical good vs evil story formula, I find that Miyazaki tries to show such matters on a deeper level - if you think about it, his later films don't have any real villains, and everybody has a more dynamic character design. Also, the beauty of Miyazaki's style is his attempts to use traditional animation styles instead of using computer graphics, as was the trend when he released Spirited Away. If you look carefully, a lot of the illustrations are drawn using water color textures - one of the harder forms to use in animation, and while the studio used a compoter for cleanups, it's still very difficult to get authentic watercolor effects on a PC. Just my thoughts on the matter. I hope I helped. |
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Keonyn
 Subscriber Posts: 5567 Location: Coon Rapids, MN |
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Well, what you have to realize is that some people are simply bias, or lack even a slightly objective outlook, or are closed minded to differing styles, and so on and so forth and the reality is from a psychological standpoint is that most people are like that without even recognizing that fact. The most aggressive on the subjects are usually those who don't recognize it the most, to the point their hatred of something doesn't even allow them to see it's technical achievements which, in this case, are renowned on both sides by fans and animators alike on both sides.
Either way, Miyazaki's films generally have a great deal of depth, although I will say I found Howl's to be quite disappointing in most respects. I don't think the voices are lame at all, in fact the cast in both languages usually consists of some of the best. The characters are a bit cliche though, and he does sometimes reuse the same style, but no more so than most anime and I'd venture to say even less so than some of the most popular series running right now, perhaps you haven't noticed but anime in general has a great deal of cliche's. Not sure what you mean about dry visuals as they are some of the best out there, few can even compare, maybe Otomo and Disney. As for being kiddy, as in what? A lack of blood and violence and sex? Such things are not required to create an interesting and engaging story, in fact they can often do more harm than good, there's nothing wrong with adopting a more innocent charm as it is also somewhat more reflective of reality and can help make even the most fantastic feel real. As for the Disney hatred, some people just dislike some things, some are obviously rational while others are irrational. Besides, anyone who see's something that's moralistic and happy as evil is hardly worth consideration anyways. |
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GloriousPikachu
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I believe you are failing to recognize the actual ART in his films. He has created some of the most awe inspiring settings, backgrounds, and characters in anime, Not to mention his story lines are about as original as you're gonna get. He isn't one of the most acclaimed people in the anime world for nothing you know. |
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omar235
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All I have to say is that Myazaki is an excelent artist, and even though disney was the first to go mainstream with animated films the japanese have been making animated drawings for hundreds of years as a evolution of the shadow puppet.
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MonkeyFunk
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Care to give us some examples of what you consider to be good anime?
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