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ACDragonMaster
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I'd hope that the fans protest it. I mean, I know a lot of people who will sometimes buy bootleg merchandise *knowing* it's bootleg, particularly replicas of stuff for use in cosplay, but I've never known anyone who's bought a bootleg thinking it was a legit import and who was very happy when they found out otherwise...
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Godaistudios
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So if it's not licensed, copyright infringment is perfectly okay? Ugh. That's a bad idea if I've ever heard one. It's still illegal and just opens the doors up... you know the old adage, "Give them an inch..."
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DriftRoot
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Yeah, and I don't think the dealers will be displaying big signs that read "Bootlegs for sale." Yeesh. I wonder if dealers will be forced to identify their illicit wares after the convention officials realize what a mess they've created. Beyond the whole crazy and unethical nature of this policy, at the very least make sure everyone knows what's what!
I can't believe the license holders will endorse this...unless they don't care about the Australian anime market. That's pretty low. Wait, wouldn't bringing bootlegs into the country technically be a crime anyways? Or are the airport officials going to be told to look the other way?? Some will be already BE in Australia, but some can certainly be imported. |
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Tempest
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Selling Bootlegs in the country is a crime, but law enforcement (including customs) officials rarely act on copyright infringement unless their is a complaint.
Customs official aren't always able to tell the difference between a bootleg and a cheap licensed reproduction. (One of the reasons it is becoming important for licensors to only permit quality reproductions). -t |
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Ruloc
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That's a joke right? So basicly Animania officially ignores international copywrite laws?
They do have the duty to agree to the Berne Convention afaik and are in no position to ignore that willingly. 
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Greboruri
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They're a bunch of dicks anyway. Their "mascot", Guu (an anonymous front for one of the organisers), claimed a year or two ago that Australian online anime shop animeanytime.com.au was selling bootleg wallscrolls, when in fact there were licensed copies made by Great Eastern. Animeanytime.com.au has been pushing for Australian cons to have a no bootleg policy for a number of years and they have ruffled some feathers in the past with notorious bootleg peddlers like Tamarket.
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NZbeedee
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Does Cartoon Passion still try to sell bootlegs in Australia? They got kicked out of the Auckland Armageddon Expo in New Zealand last year after enough of us complained about the bootlegs they were selling.
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discofever
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pants pants pants
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Greboruri
Posts: 387 Location: QBN, NSW, Australia |
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Caloris
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Animania has had this policy since 2004. It is how Cartoon Passion slipped bootlegs into Animania in both 2004 and 2005. Fans have protested it both years. Animania did nothing.
I’m not sure. There have only been two conventions in Australia since Auckland Armageddon. WAI-Con (Perth) and AI Con (Hobart). I don’t know if Cartoon Passion was at either. I don’t see them being welcome at Manifest again, nor anime.au. Leaves on Supanova, AVCon and Animania. Supanova would take their money and keep a close eye on them, unless they were banned after last years events. Doesn’t leave much open for them.
discofever, are you here trying to defend Animania yet again, or do you just dislike Gerard enough for some reason to continue your slander against him and his business?? Animania 2004 Feedback thread – Madboards
(note: anime anytime did not go to Animania 2004)
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Pyoko
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ANN Bootleg Policy Only Bans Bootlegs That Don't Help Fund the Site (2006-03-09 10:09:19)
Anime News Network, one of the largest anime sites on the internet, has still not done anything about their questionable ties to bootleg sales. The forum rules state, "Note that we do not permit linking to bootlegs. If you (as a retailer or as a user) posts a link that we believe sells bootleg products, your URL will be replaced with a message like this: [This URL is a Known Bootlegging website]." However, affiliate links to known bootleg retailer Anime Castle are still abundant on the main site. |
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discofever
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Ahh...I know who you are now Greboruri and Caloris.
Trying to bait me into arguing with you won't work this time. We're all free to live in our own fantasy worlds, so go right ahead living in yours. I'll stick to the real world thanks. Last edited by discofever on Thu Mar 09, 2006 5:27 am; edited 3 times in total |
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pfc
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Caloris, you're usually pretty correct in your facts, but are you sure that language came in in 2004? Certainly 2004 was when the new management came in and Animania started to rub the community the wrong way, but I thought the Animania 2004 traders' contract was basically the 2003 contract with new dates and a bit of spit and polish. Certainly there were complaints about bootlegs at Cartoon Passion in both 2004 and 2005 and Animania did nothing, but I thought 2004 was under the older contract that banned bootlegs. I could be wrong, though. The new bootleg language I thought first appeared in that "Animania Full Vendor Pack 2005" written by Louis Lee which also contained claimed attendance of 7,000 for 2004 and an expected 2006 attendance of 10,000 among other incredible things. I see the wonderful claims and shiny brochures are back for 2006. You've got to admire Animania's marketing machine - if only they'd put that sort of effort into their conventions. I completely agree with your dismissal of discofever's comment - Anime Anytime and Gerard Vong are the driving anti-bootleg force in Australia. It's a personal crusade with Gerard and it always has been. He was instrumental in the creation of Manifest's original anti-bootleg policy back in the early days. I believe that Animania's trader's contract for 2002, 2003 and 2004 was originally modelled on Manifest's, and thus imported reasonably strong anti-bootleg language. Manifest has a strong anti-bootleg policy, but it also has a reasonable number of traders. (About 25 separate groups in 2005, from my records.) I think it'd be accurate to say "Manifest doesn't have a bootleg problem at its convention" - I believe then have been less-than-scrupulous traders trying to sell bootleg merchandise every year, but because Manifest has always had trained staff inspect merchandise many times during the event, traders with bootlegs available are quickly warned and told to remove the items or be kicked out. And Manifest showed it had no problem kicking a trader out when Cartoon Passion was booted in 2005 for (among other things) selling bootlegs after being warned. Similarly, you could say Supanova doesn't have a bootleg problem - they've got good staff making sure things stay above board. I'm not sure of the specifics of the way they work, but Supanova Brisbane 2005 saw the confiscation of bootleg merchandise from Cartoon Passion. You could flat-out say that anime.au has never had bootlegs, though - Gerard has taken his personal crusade to his convention. Anime.au doesn't accept traders that have a history of being shifty about bootlegs. It means less traders, but it ensures the event is bootleg free. Manifest has had traders that were warned about bootlegs the year before, and has had to warn them again and again each year. Manifest generally finds a single warning is enough to stop a trader from selling bootleg merchandise for the length of the event. Because Manifest and Supanova enforce their bootleg policies, the conventions are kept quite reasonably bootleg free by stopping it when it happens. Anime.au avoids the problem before it begins. That said, I also doubt Cartoon Passion will be welcome at Manifest again. I doubt even Manifest is that forgiving, though I'm not committee this year so all I can do is guess. Animania's problem seems to be that they are missing either the skill or the will to enforce a decent anti-bootleg policy - this is why Cartoon passion wasn't kicked out of Animania 2004 even though the convention had a stronger anti-bootleg policy then. It's wild speculation on my part, but I have the feeling that the change in Animania's bootleg policy was a recognition of this - they don't seem to have the resources to enforce a anti-bootleg policy, so they dropped the policy, except in the case of Australian-liscenced stuff (read: Madman Entertainment licensed stuff, as Madman are overwhelmingly the people who get Australian licences) because Madman Entertainment is one of the only traders / sponsors to still be affiliated with Animania. Animania 2005 had dropped to just four traders (from only five the year before) so they're probably doing whatever they can not to step on the toes of those they still have. |
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Mohawk52
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I always thought that under the Berne Convention agreement, if it is licensed in Japan then it's copyright protected through out the world. So under these terms, even if a copy is legally purchased in Japan, it would be illegal to sell outside of Japan without license to do so. Now in reality the loss to the author would be minuscule but the sum of every single unlicensed copy sold, say at a convention, could be quite a substantial lose to the authors and license holders in Japan. One could argue this point till they're blue in the teeth, but it will not change the bare fact of the matter here.
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Caloris
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Sure, because we know that you are the one living in this "fantasy world". You are free to remain in your fantasy world along with the rest of Animania. I'll just remain in this world of realty and fact.
While I no longer have copies of the pdfs from prior conventions and can’t personally check, my current source does and has checked. I do recall Cartoon Passion saying something to that effect (re: the bootleg policy) when asked at the 2004 convention. By saying that Manifest and Supanova don't have a bootleg problem, I mean that their policy isn't a problem. I didn't say anything about there not being bootlegs at those conventions. Some of the traders on the other hand... With the way things seem to be going at the moment, Animania is going to be having a problem either this year or next. The continued lies which have been spewing from them, and their supporters (such as DiscoSid), are going to alienate the vendors so much that they simply won’t want to come back. Once the majority of the vendors refuse to have anything to do with them (several already do), the approx 2000 attendance is going to disappear very quickly. |
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