Forum - View topicBleach- Rukongai Rules? (may contain mild spoilers)
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animonkey
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***Please don't answer this with a "just watch the series", but use tags for all spoilers.***
In bleach, after you die, do you retain memory of your living life? Do you remeain the same age forever? Can you have kids? What happens if you die in the sould society? Because I've seen up to ep 33 and this is totally unclear... please help. |
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Efan
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I too was also confused by this. I know that spoiler[you do age, but i don't know when you stop aging.] If you watch further into the series you will realize that spoiler[Rukia and Renji knew eachother as kids and grew up together], but Soi Fon (A captin which you meet later) is over spoiler[100 years old but looks no older than 25]. So i have absolutly no clue about the aging process.
When you've died and gone to soul society (Rukongai or w/e) you do retain your memories of your living life. This can be seen when Chad meets the spoiler[little boy who's soul was trapped inside a bird], in soul society. spoiler[The boy still remebers his life as a child when he saw his mother die] and he remebers his life as a bird. P.S. I used alot of spoilers just incase people get mad... |
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Ohoni
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Ok, here's my theories. Either:
A: you age constantly, but VERY slowly, allowing you to live for thousands of years total, and spending dozens of years in each stage of life one would equate to one human year. or B: Your age is your own choice. If you die young, you can choose to age, or not, meaning once you're comfortable with your age you'll stop, or at least greatly slow down. It's never (yet) made clear which would be true, but both would seem valid given what's been shown in the manga so far. One thing that perplexes my circle of friends is, what happens to dead Shinigami? Do they then become living world humans? If so, given how sucky most of Soul Society is, I'd expect the suicide rate to be much higher. Also, what about the plants and stuff, are they the ghosts of dead plants? Also, why do the Shinigami do what they do? Presumably spoiler[the boss guys in that one building tell them to, but then they died and things just sort of kept on keep'in on]. So who set that stuff up, and why do they follow along? Anyways, yeah, the Bleach afterlife is pretty confusing, and he rarely if ever makes any attempt to clarify it. I think the most informative definition of it was Rukia's little bunny theater in one of the first episodes. Maybe he'll get around to it eventually, but it doesn't look like it'll happen in this arc. |
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Efan
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When you die as a Shinigami you die. When you die on earth your body dies, but your soul lives on in soul society, but when you die in soul society your soul no longer exists, just the faux body that holds your soul in soul society remains. That makes the most sense out of all theories, if anyone knows how it truly works please post, it's confusing the hell out of us! |
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shadow_guyver
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But then were do human world souls come from. Remember spoiler[the reason the shinigami exterminated the quincy was that their method for battling hollows was destroying the balance of souls between Soul Society and the human world.] If souls only go one way, then what was up with that? In fact, the episode were that is explained mentions a flow of souls between both worlds, going both ways. Souls are coming from Soul Society. Whether or not they're from from shinigami or just the inhabitants of Rukongai, I can't say. |
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Ohoni
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See, I doubt this. For one thing, they promote the idea of a "circle of life", in which souls go to Soul Society, and then somehow return to Earth. How? Death in Soul Society would be the easiest explaination. If souls that die is Soul Society are truely gone, then wouldn't that desroy the balance the Shinigami are trying to maintain? |
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IchigoK90
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I have an argument to the returning to life theory. I read a spoiler about Urahara and why he got exiled. It was because spoiler[he made a Gigai (fake body ex: the one rukia has in the human world in the first episodes before soul society) so powerful (or something like that) that when a soul enters it the person comes back to life. In Soul Society thats a no no]. So that would cancel out the back to life theory. Plus not all souls go to Soul Society. As shown in spoiler[the earlier episodes they showed a hollow that was once a human soul go to hell]. Theres also the place where Hollows go to avoid the Shinigami.
I also have a question. If you do retain your memories after you die on earth and then go to Soul Society does that mean that the 4 noble families were royalty back on earth when they were alive? Anyways we can debate as much as we can but in the end its up to the creator of the manga to explain things through. "Believe it!" - IchigoK90 |
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Ohoni
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I think the problem with your arguement is that when people are born on earth, they clearly have no memory about being in "heaven" or anything they might have done there, while in the case you described, they would be born on Earth, fully adult, and with full memory of living in Soul Society. I think that disruption of the natural process was the no no.
If a Shinigami died and was ressurected on earth, I'd fully expect him to have no memory of his previous cycle. As for the Soul Soceity royalty, they might have a core of Earth-royal blood. I kind of got the impression that it might just be an adoptive royalty, similar to an exclusive club, in which souls that show promise and civility are adopted into the family. But yeah, there's a lot left in the air about all of that. |
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shirokiryuu
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I've always thought of the shinigami as totally different beings than humans, like guardians of the humans, rather them being reincarnations of each other
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Ohoni
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But they establish fairly quickly that many of them at least, such as Rukia, Abarai, etc. come from the "general populace" of Soul Society, so presumably they were normal humans at once point, and then they died. Whether all Shinigami have such origins hasn't been made explicit, but there's no reason to assume they were much different.
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patch
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interesting... makes sense then in a way... i have a crazy theory, from just watching the anime through the current episode: spoiler[I think ultimately, there is a sense of demons vs angels underlying and the origins of Ichigio's powers so far has been a bit questionable...] |
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Advent_Nebula
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Just what, a major revolation came in one of the more recent manga chapters. I think it was 197 or something, but is turns out that spoiler[ Ichigo's dad is a Shinigami] |
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Kruszer
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So my theory is somewhat true then, spoiler[ I figured it was a reasonable asumption that at least one of his parents was a Soul Reaper in order to get those powers of his. I thought it was his mom though which is why she was killed by Grand Fisher.] I hope they don't end the series before revealing the circumstances on how that happened.
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biffe
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That would explain the strength of Ichigo in the first episode and the ability of the whole family to see dead people.
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Efan
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On top of that, i think spoiler[his dad was the strongest shinigami in the histrory of soul society?] correct me if im wrong please. |
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