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am I taking crazy pills? anyone else have lagrange on blu-ray?




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potatochobit



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 3:46 pm Reply with quote
can't tell if I need eyedrops or if my blu-ray has interlacing
/bangs head



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chronoclast



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 4:02 pm Reply with quote
While I can't confirm it, those BDs are very likely 1080i/60 (I noticed Viz didn't list the resolution on the back cover, I wonder why Rolling Eyes). I bet there is bad artifacting during high motion too since that's how Viz's crappy 1080i BDs of Nura and the InuYasha movie collection are.

Viz needs to hire a more competent authoring house that would inverse telecine these titles to 1080p/24 and encode them properly. Or I guess they could ask the Japanese to send progressive masters to them like what Sentai are doing since they've struggled with the same issue.
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potatochobit



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 9:12 pm Reply with quote
thanks
good thing I didn't buy nura
I thought 1080i died out with the drop in LCD market prices...
I have not bought a viz title in many years and for some reason I was expecting their move into the blu-ray market to be high quality
The old VHS tapes were nice, I just dont understand
even the box cover slip seems to be printed with photocopier ink...
oh well, life goes on and I will live...
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DG_Nick



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:10 pm Reply with quote
Your avatar has aliasing issues.

P.S. That sucks.
P.P.S. I am only teasing.
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potatochobit



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:31 pm Reply with quote
it's actually not my avatar's fault
the anime news network boards cannot render touhou characters in real-time which is causing the problem

anyway, I de-teleclined this crap myself and it looks nice
even watching it with all the interlacing it was enjoyable

the 6 mini specials are included! that was a surprise
the clean opening is also very nice

I am very happy with this purchase even with the bad encoding.
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lem



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:34 am Reply with quote
yeah. You must have. The blu looks great. No issues, at least with what I viewed it with.

The aerial scenes are simply amazing and Muginami at bat did not look anything like what you've posted.

So what was the issue? the disc? your TV? the player? or?
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potatochobit



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 9:32 pm Reply with quote
how old are you, my friend?
are you old enough to have owned a DVD player when they were new in the 90s?

Since you do not seem to know what interlacing is, let me tell you. In the old days, TVs did not have high refresh rates. In order to make action scenes look fast, interlacing is used to 'cheat'.

lets say a picture has 100 lines across your screen.
because an old TV is slow (and early generation and cheap LCD screens),
they draw 50 lines - which saves time - and then draw the other 50 lines in the next frame.

Since the TV cannot actually refresh any faster, you get a smooth picture that looks like an action sequence.

now you asked my why can't you see the interlacing on this Blu-ray? there could be a few reasons, you have an old TV, your TV is native 1080i and cannot display progressive films. Your TV, blu-ray or graphic card is already removing the interlacing for you and you just don't know. Maybe viz read some complaints and released a new version? Maybe you are not really understanding what you are supposed to look for? Obviously the frame of muginami with the baseball bat is "Moving", did you pause the video?

I have tested it on 3 different setups, trust me, the copy I have is absolutely teleclined and I even have a screenshot above to prove it.

you can read more about it here
though this article is old I think



This is just my opinion but the show could be teleclined BECAUSE they want to sell the same video in other regions around the world and just change the box and video menus or something.
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lem



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:50 am Reply with quote
I've gone through several different media players over the years - VHS, DVD, and Blu since '08 or so. In addition to my stand alone player there's a ps3 that can be connected to my HD LED screen.

*Here's a pic of the same scene (with my camera on auto settings in relatively low light) of paused video for the blu-ray.

I tried looking for the same results you have with the pic you've posted. From two different players, frame by frame, various slow motion speeds, and reviewing it at normal speed, etc., No luck.

The pic you posted above looks just as "fantastic" as any of the other pics you've posted here, so... I dunno, maybe it's just your set up?

I'd be demanding a refund if this blu-ray looked as bad as you make it out to be, but it doesn't.

*7-11-13 Edit - the original jpeg file was a rather large file, so I put the pic in link form.


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FLEABttn



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 12:01 pm Reply with quote
Shouldn't the info button on the remote to your TV tell you if it's interlaced or not? Something like 1080i/60 versus 1080p/24.
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