Forum - View topicSuggestion to Mods/Admins for dub-buyers sticky.
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lhernan02
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I am not sure if this is the right section of the forum for this suggestion, but hopefully the powers that be won't get too angry.
I suggest you set up a sticky where dub-buyers or sub-only NON buyers can stake their claim for all to see and free the regular threads from "I won't buy this because it does not have a dub" posts. I think these people feel that they must let the industry know of a lost sale to prod them to dub X series or X future releases, at least I hope that is their excuse, rather than just being aholes who want to derail a thread. Personally, I won't buy a sub-only release because I cannot enjoy it on the big screen because of my eyesight (subs are OK for previews since I watch them on my PC, but I am not spending money to watch something on my PC), but I see no reason to interrupt every thread about a sub-only series with my post stating my refusal to buy it. I think that just annoys most people who want to discuss the series (even those who don't plan to buy it, but still wish to discuss it (they probably saw it in fansubs)). So my suggestion is to create an "introduce yourself"-type sticky at the top for dub buyers so that the industry knows how many sales they are missing and, once that is in place, anyone who ever states in a thread that they won't buy something because it lacks a dub gets banned (not a permanent ban, but at least long enough to make them rethink their posting habits). I think that gives us the perfect carrot-stick balance. Once again sorry if this is the wrong place, but accept this as a humble suggestion to ensure everyone enjoys this forum. Thanks, |
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Tony K.
 SubscriberModerator  Posts: 11440 Location: Frisco, TX |
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I'll give you some options:
1) If it's all about buying dub/bilingual products, I can make a sticky in the Retail forum, since that's technically where one would go to seek "where do I buy/find [such and such] title on [whatever medium]" topics. The downside to this is that people don't usually visit the Retail forum, which would defeat your purpose of getting any notoriety from industry people. 2) If your intention is to discuss the marketing, or lack thereof, for dub/bilingual products, you can make a thread here in the Anime forum, but I don't think a Sticky would be possible. By doing that, you create a very subtle, but apparent kind of segregation. Because I'm sure at some point someone will wanna' make a "sub-buyer only" thread, and then people will spill over into each others' topics, possible flame wars can ensue, and then we moderators will have either more headaches to deal with, or the threads could even get locked. Or, if you can think of any other amendments to make, you're welcome to suggest them. |
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lhernan02
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Tony,
My aim was not a discussion thread, but an ID thread (and to your point, I guess a sub-only buyers ID thread would be OK too). I figure the posts would be something like this: Narutoboy55: I will NEVER buy a sub-only series because GOD meant anime to be watched in English. I spend $XXX per year on anime and right now Funi gets all my money. BleachRocks: I am half blind and could not read subtitles on the big screen TV from across the room if my life depended on it so I need dubs, I spend $XXX per year on anime and will not buy a sub-only release. Any attempt at discussion would be pruned by Mods since the purpose of this sticky is to A) Let the industry and anyone who cares know of lost sales, B) Allow dub buyers to get the effect of sub-only releases off their chest, and C) Justify banning them if they interrupt a regular thread saying they won't buy a series because it is sub-only. I thought about this while reading the ToraDora thread, I read the review, then went to read the posts, and BAM!! first post is somebody whining about it not having a dub, then at least a quarter of the posts were about that, or in other words, wasted space that benefits only those in the flame war. While I will not be buying TD because it does not have a dub, that is MY business, nobody else needs to know or should care, and the only reason I would make a post to that effect would be to start a flame war. If you give a carrot to dub buyers (that is why I think it should be in the Anime Forum since it gives more visibilty) and allow them (or me for that matter) to self identify, then you can use a stick to ban those who will not play nice (rather than just editing or removing posts) when they interrupt a discussion thread. Anyway, that was my aim for the suggestion. Thanks for your quick reply and I hope this answers any questions my original post might have raised. |
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Tony K.
Subscriber Moderator Posts: 11440 Location: Frisco, TX |
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So essentially it's more like a "declaration" thread? Something to keep thread-killers out of sub-only anime discussions, while at the same time showing industry people that there are, indeed, unhappy consumers who would prefer to have the option of dubbed anime? Sounds like there might be some use for an idea, but I'd like some input from the rest of the forum or the other mods, first. Plus, I have to get to ready work...
[..to be continued] |
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Ggultra2764
 Subscriber Posts: 3958 Location: New York state. |
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I'm up for the idea. While I am a listener to both sub and dub versions of an anime, there are notable anime titles that I would have interest listening to an English dub for (Emma: Victorian Romance, Maria Watches Over Us) yet the option isn't there since said titles are considered either niche or impossible to properly adapt to the English language and rather than spend money on starting production on an English dub version of an anime title, distributors only set up DVD releases with Japanese audio as the only listening option. And while I might not be the biggest fan of particular titles that have been licensed and released only with a Japanese audio option (Zetsubou-Sensei, Toradora, Clannad: After Story), not having an English audio option would alienate a target demographic for these companies to profit from since not all of us want to be watching an anime while reading subtitles onscreen to understand a foreign language.
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The King of Harts
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I like the idea, but I don't think discussion should be pruned. The Introduction Thread is made for introductions, but discussion still goes on and it's the discussion that keeps it alive. I think as long as intelligent discussion (aka no one-liner bitching or long winded anger release) goes on then it should be allowed. We should be allowed to talk about why we aren't buying instead of just saying we aren't buying.
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ailblentyn
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Hmmm. The petition/thread I (and I'm sure many others) would like would be one saying "Please, if it makes any difference, release more stuff more quickly and more cheaply by forgoing the extra expense of recording dubs that I never listen to anyway and don't want to pay for".
The forum shouldn't throw its weight behind a one-sided statement many wouldn't agree with (if I'm understanding the suggestion correctly). |
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dtm42
Posts: 14084 Location: currently stalking my waifu |
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I think any such thread should be heavily moderated and closely watched, but not automatically pruned of discussion (that goes beyond, "Hi I'm Jim, I live in South Dakota and I refuse to buy sub-only releases."
Whether it should be a sticky or not, that is a bit harder, but ultimately I would say no. Several reasons: #1): We should be aware of the problem of cluttering up the stickies. #2): If we let this become a sticky then that could open the door. #3): There's little need, at least in the first little while of the thread's existence. It will enter in the consciousness of the forum, as in people will know about it and not have to find it. Related to that, its likely popularity will also keep it on the front page of the forums for a while. #4): We do have semi-permanent threads that we can link newcomers to, such as the Pseudo-Stickies. |
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Keonyn
Subscriber Posts: 5567 Location: Coon Rapids, MN |
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Frankly, we have enough stickies at the top of this forum, and we could stand to lose a few more than gain yet more. By placing a sticky up there it also suggests that ANN is promoting or advocating that specific line of thought unless we put up other stickies for the opposing viewpoint, which will be yet another one we don't need.
The problem with the soapboxing is that it usually takes place in the talkback forum in discussions about articles relating to releases or reviews and twists those threads in to debates about that instead of the article or review itself. If you want to make a post here in the anime forum about this topic specifically and its effect on the industry then by all means do so, but I really don't think it should be stickied. I also don't think it's our job to prune discussions of anything besides people violating the rules. If you want to bring up a topic, particularly a hot-button topic, in a forum then you better be read to fight for your position because it's not our job to prune opposing viewpoints and opinions, but rather just to make sure people are being respectful and abiding by the rules. The forum is for discussions, and those discussions often have more than one viewpoint, we're not an advocacy or petition site for one-sided statements. An example is the piracy topic, which often pops in to talkback threads as well and often gets shut down due to soapboxing and turning those threads in to piracy debates. Here in the anime forum is a discussion topic on that issue though and such threads are not uncommon. Here, as long as they remain civil and they're relevant to anime and aren't a duplicate topic(we don't want 20 piracy threads going at once) then they can continue. The active topic is there for the industry to see if they wish, and both sides get to make their case on the topic. Last edited by Keonyn on Sun Sep 26, 2010 9:26 am; edited 1 time in total |
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DuelLadyS
 Posts: 1705 Location: WA state |
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While I see why you would want such a thread, I don't think it would have any impact on threads about upcoming dub/sub-only releases. It would just mean that when Schoolgirl Milky Crisis vol. 1 (or what-have-you) comes out sub-only, the posts in the show's threads will now say "Like I said in the sticky, I don't buy sub-only, but this is one of my favorite shows so I'm especially upset about it."
I suppose you ban sub/dub discussions from the main threads, but that just makes a lot more work for the mods. Long story short, you can't stop the sub/dub fight. If years of bilingual DVDs didn't stop people, it can't be done. It's just easier to keep up the usual crowd-control in the regular threads. As for giving industry folks a chance to see if there's a market they're missing- I do believe they already know the answer is 'yes'. We're a hard bunch to please, anything less than a full-featured release with every extra put out in Japan (on the DVDs or otherwise), plus a fantastic dub, is going to push away sales somewhere. Honestly, you'd be better off writing to companies directly with your concerns than in trying to start up a special forum thread. |
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lesterf1020
Subscriber Posts: 295 Location: Trinidad and Tobago |
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It wont work. Most of those posts are to show annoyance that there is another sub-only release. Those posters are not going to go to a sticky that noone will read because all it contains is "no dub-no sale" declarations. They want everyone to know that whatever sub-only release is a bad idea and not going to get their money. To be honest some of those posts are deliberate acts of trolling. So what will actually happen is the mods are going to end up having to spend all of their time moving posts to the sticky that noone will read.
I am sorry but the dub/sub war is an eternal fight that cannot be won or even ameliorated. I expect it to claim the lives of thousands more threads in this pointless conflict that refuses to accept economic realities and personal preference. |
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