Forum - View topicRobot Carnival
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madaudet03
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I think it is animes fantasia. Exept its actually entertaining. has anyone else seen it.
I loved cloud,Franken's Gears, and A Tale of Two Robots. The real reason to see it is presence. The whole picture is verry moving and it shows where the (perverbial)bar was and is set for anime. i think this is definatly an esential that every fan of the gere should see. are there legit copies on dvd? they all seem like hk rips. |
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jfrog
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Hey! I liked Fantasia!
Robot Carnival is near the top of my to-see list. Koji Morimoto, Katsuhiro Otomo, and Takashi Nakamura together...even that damn Kite guy can't take take away from this lineup. I don't think it's out on R1 DVD (yet), but there was a VHS release a long time ago. My video store has it.  Just need to get around to watching it.
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Golgo13
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I wouldn't call it the Fantasia of anime since I know Japan can do much better with animation than this, but I loved Robot Carnival.
Some of the shorts had some 80's cliches, but some of them were very original. My favorite was Cloud for how relaxing the mood and drawing style was. If any of them give the impression of Fantasia it would be Red Head and Chicken Man since that was the only piece that was animated to the music. With any luck, ADV will pick this title up the same way they picked up Crying Freeman and Neo Tokyo. |
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Neilworms
 Posts: 155 Location: Chicago IL |
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"I wouldn't call it the Fantasia of anime since I know Japan can do much better with animation than this, but I loved Robot Carnival. "
On a technical and even an artistic level Fantasia's animation kills just about everything that the Japanese have done... Have you ever watched fantasia other than when you were little? Though I'd give the title of the fantasia of Japan to Osamu Tezuka's unfinished short Legend of the Forest. |
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JustJon
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I saw Robot Carnival years ago on VHS and it was really awesome. I was in my "dark period" back them (JTHM, Industrial music, etc.), so the dark one was my favorite at the time, but I'd love to see it again now to see how it resonates with me.
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Golgo13
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Yes, and I'm sure if you watched Fantasia too you'd know how detailed the Bald Mountain segment was.
If I had to call any anime the Fantasia of anime, I would probably go with Memories. |
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chloes_fork
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That would be the deathlessly brilliant Yasuomi Umetsu, who was the reason I bought Robot Carnival in the first place. 
And yeah, it's an HK bootleg, but I only bought it because no R1 release is available. The subtitles are ungodly terrible, but it's better than nothing. I'll definitely pick up a legit copy if anybody ever bothers to release it, though. |
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madaudet03
Posts: 40 Location: USA |
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Yes I have. And I've also seen the new fantasia 2000. I still feel that there is no unbelievable technical accomplishment. They used their usual technology and a little croma key for bald mountain. Even in the all new restored version fantasia at best looks like chalk drawings. The new one is all cgi and has no real significant break thoughts. I say if you compare a 1970's Disney movie like sword in the stone to lets say Golgo 13 the professional Golgo destroys it. Flare effects, cgi, focus effects. Disney doesn't even use these today I’d say golgo thirteen and Gotchaman Battle of the planets (not seventies). Probably show better skill and technique than brother bear. And they are no technical marvels themselves. Never mind if you were to hold them up to something like Mononoke. Disney is crap they haven’t had a single innovation they didn’t buy from another company since Don Bluth left. |
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jfrog
Posts: 925 Location: Seattle |
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The quality of animation is to be judged solely by how many effects you can put in it? This is what is destroying commercial animation on both sides of the Pacific, with everything turning into empty technical exercise. Last Exile, Finding Nemo...doesn't matter, it's just a bunch of nerds shooting their load over a computer. I will admit that Disney has sucked the big one since the mid 40's (aside from Lilo and Stitch), but their early stuff is classic.
And what the big deal about Fantasia is that never, before or since, has anyone been able to match the level of both detail and fluidity. Whenever I watch the movement of the fish in the Nutcracker Suite segment...God, it feels like I'm dreaming. Fantasia 2000 was terrible though, aside from the Rhapsody in Blue segment. That one was cool. |
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GATSU
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They played the raw import dvd at this year's AX, and some annoying brats wouldn't shut up during it. Presence comes off a lot creepier after seeing Kite, and not in a good way. Oh well. Even Tezuka had to animate porn to pay the bills, but still...
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jsyxx
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Want to see this, but I'm going to wait for the eventual US DVD.
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