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Stark700
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:19 am
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My body's ready for this. Also...
Quote: | Ayano, a female member of Ryo's group who always carries a sword |
This girl reminds me of Kallen for some reason.
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ggqt
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:19 am
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The new Code Geass has great writes, a good director, and solid actors. Just like Guilty Crown.
What could possibly go wrong.
Oh wait...
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Charred Knight
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:32 am
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So let me get this straight, this OVA is supposed to be set in Europe and yet there appears to be only one character whose actually European. Why are the Japanese in Europe? I know Code Geass has a nationalist angle to it but they are seriously undermining their entire world building for it.
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nightjuan
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:43 am
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Charred Knight wrote: | Why are the Japanese in Europe? I know Code Geass has a nationalist angle to it but they are seriously undermining their entire world building for it. |
Because they have been exiled from Japan after the Britannian invasion and occupation of their country?
Then again, you'd think the title would be self-explanatory. Honestly, I know you're always cynical about anything Code Geass-related by nature, but this is a bit much even for that.
I don't see how that's "undermining" any world building when, say, there have been plenty of World War II movies set in Great Britain about the exploits of exiles from France (or Poland, etc.) after the fall of their nation to German forces...most of which are obviously films created by French producers and intended for a primarily French audience. I trust you can figure out the parallels.
And, needless to say this isn't even supposed to be the entire cast either.
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ayashe
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:43 am
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Fully prepared to hate this. Okay, I already hate it. But I'm sure I'll hate it even more when I actually see it. I'd like to be proved wrong, but I doubt that will happen.
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Surrender Artist
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:59 am
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I'm not especially interested in Code Geass, but I am interested in Kazuki Akane, especially if he's gotten some of the band from Birdy the Mighty: Decode back together. I have no sense of how well the premise fits into the larger context of Code Geass, but judged on its own, I like it. There's an innate tragedy to the idea of mere adolescents dying in droves for a desperate dream that could be really compelling if they're careful enough with the characters and consequences, but could easily end up empty and crass..
Ayano is less pneumatic than the archetypical Code Geass lady, but that's refreshing, although, as I believe the High Internettish phrase goes, short shorts are short.
ayashe wrote: | Fully prepared to hate this. Okay, I already hate it. But I'm sure I'll hate it even more when I actually see it. I'd like to be proved wrong, but I doubt that will happen. |
At my own peril, I ask: Pray tell, why?
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Charred Knight
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 12:16 pm
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nightjuan wrote: |
I don't see how that's "undermining" any world building when, say, there have been plenty of World War II movies set in Great Britain about the exploits of exiles from France (or Poland, etc.) after the fall of their nation to German forces...most of which are obviously films created by French producers and intended for a primarily French audience. I trust you can figure out the parallels.
And, needless to say this isn't even supposed to be the entire cast either. |
Those French movies generally don't have De Gaulle as one of the leaders of the British forces. One of the characters is stated to be a General in the E.U forces.
When FMA introduced Xing, they didn't just have a bunch of Amestrians living in Xing, they expanded the world FMA took place in by introducing Xing Alchemy, May Chang, Ling Yao and the subplot about the succession of the Emperor. This just seems to be more of the same thing we got in Code Geass.
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ggqt
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 12:58 pm
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[/quote]At my own peril, I ask: Pray tell, why?[/quote]
I'm just guessing but probably because the premise is awful, and because it was written buy some nobody not the real writers. Making it garbage fan fiction.
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nightjuan
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 1:04 pm
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Charred Knight wrote: |
Those French movies generally don't have De Gaulle as one of the leaders of the British forces. One of the characters is stated to be a General in the E.U forces. |
De Gaulle was a French General, yes, but he was also one of the leaders of the Allies. You can easily describe him in passing as just another Allied General without incurring in any particular contradictions. In this case, we don't know enough about the character in question nor about the E.U. itself to start nitpicking at the semantics and implications of a single sentence statement.
Quote: | When FMA introduced Xing, they didn't just have a bunch of Amestrians living in Xing, they expanded the world FMA took place in by introducing Xing Alchemy, May Chang, Ling Yao and the subplot about the succession of the Emperor. This just seems to be more of the same thing we got in Code Geass |
I don't see why you would assume they aren't going to create any relevant subplots that introduce new factions, characters or situations that expand the world of Code Geass here. If anything, the context would suggest the exact opposite.
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Ashen Phoenix
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 1:45 pm
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Definitely psyched for this one. Can't for the life of me understand why people choose to dump on a series before it even airs.
So it won't be a continuation of Lelouch and C.C.'s adventures, I get that. I'm sad too, but that's just how it goes.
So it won't have the exact same crew behind it as Rebellion. Again, sad, but not world-ending.
WTH's the deal with comparing it to Guilty Crown? Is it the same staff involved? No. Has it shown the same haphazard plot development issues? No? Oh, perhaps that's because, and really try to hear me, it hasn't even aired yet.
I say, bring it on, stay positive, and cast judgement AFTER we've seen what's it's packing. To do so preemptively is just stupid.
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Raebo101
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 2:03 pm
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Quote: | Ichiko Hashimoto (RahXephon) will compose the anime's music |
Say whaaaaa?
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Hentai_JP
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 2:11 pm
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I love the description of new characters:
Ryo - general, leader of the group.
Yukiya - information gathering agent and explosives expert.
Ayano - woman with a sword...
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nightjuan
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 2:38 pm
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ggqt wrote: |
I'm just guessing but probably because the premise is awful, and because it was written buy some nobody not the real writers. Making it garbage fan fiction. |
ggqt wrote: |
The new Code Geass has great writes, a good director, and solid actors. Just like Guilty Crown. |
No, not really. In fact, I'd say this looks more promising if we take the time to compare their respective credits.
Kazuki Akane is an older and more experienced director who started his career in the industry by working in minor roles on various Mobile Suit Gundam productions back when Tomino was still in charge. His directorial record isn't spotless (see: the Escaflowne: A Girl in Gaea film) but it has still been consistently better than Tetsuro Araki's. He is responsible for creating several critically successful original productions (The Vision of Escaflowne TV series, Noein) and, unlike Araki (Death Note, High School of the Dead), Akane isn't best known for his adaptations of preexisting manga. Guilty Crown was apparently among Araki's first truly original works and, in my opinion, it definitely shows.
For these and other reasons, I believe it is reasonable to expect better things from the director involved in this project.
Even before Guilty Crown, the writing team of Hiroyuki Yoshino and Ichiro Okouchi had a mixed record. In fact, this was also true when they both worked on Code Geass, but in my experience Yoshino has always been the weaker of the two and making him the main writer of Guilty Crown did not result in any improvements whatsoever. Quite the opposite.
In this case, the core writing team consists of director Kazuki Akane himself, who did a pretty good job with the series composition and scripts for Noein, plus his long-time collaborator Miya Asakawa (Heat Guy J, Noein, Birdy the Mighty: Decode), who isn't a bad writer either. I was originally worried about the presence of Shigeru Morita, who also has a questionable record, but it turns out he's merely an assistant after all and not the main person in charge of writing duties. That certainly limits, though it does not eliminate, his influence.
Whether or not the writing turns out to be anything special, I'm quite willing to bet it won't be as bad as Guilty Crown's.
Surrender Artist wrote: | I'm not especially interested in Code Geass, but I am interested in Kazuki Akane, especially if he's gotten some of the band from Birdy the Mighty: Decode back together. I have no sense of how well the premise fits into the larger context of Code Geass, but judged on its own, I like it. |
Personally speaking, I'd be satisfied if this turned out to be a more or less self-contained story capable of standing on its own and appealing to people who might not be too interested in the surrounding material. In fact, a few of the better Gundam spin-offs are arguably like that.
Nevertheless, I think it's worth keeping in mind that certain trappings and tropes will probably continue to show up, for better or for worse, so those who may have a particularly pronounced dislike or overwhelming indifference for Code Geass will likely hit a brick wall if they expect something completely different in every single respect.
From that perspective, I would have to assume chances are good that those who can appreciate both the director and this property, with or without all of their respective quirks and multiple flaws as well as virtues, will get the most out of it.
Quote: | There's an innate tragedy to the idea of mere adolescents dying in droves for a desperate dream that could be really compelling if they're careful enough with the characters and consequences, but could easily end up empty and crass. |
In my experience, Akane is actually quite good at dealing with bittersweet or even outright tragic situations such as those seen in his previous projects (I'm thinking of certain moments in Noein and Birdy the Mighty: Decode 02, for example). In this particular case, he should have a fair amount of freedom (and, naturally, responsibility) because of his involvement with both directing and writing the upcoming production. Hopefully that will count as a positive in the long run.
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DangerMouse
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 3:33 pm
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Surrender Artist wrote: | I'm not especially interested in Code Geass, but I am interested in Kazuki Akane, especially if he's gotten some of the band from Birdy the Mighty: Decode back together. |
Agreed. I really like a lot Kazuki Akane's work and Birdy the Mighty: Decode was awesome.
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CG-LOVER
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 5:50 pm
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Awwww...they changed the music composer?
Now, granted I've never seen RaXephon so I have no clue if Ichiko Hashimoto is a good composer. But in my opinion Kotaro Nakagawa (composer for the original Code Geass anime) is a f*cking genius! This is sad, sad news for me personally, as Code Geass' soundtrack is probably my favorite anime soundtrack ever. I'm sorely disappointed by this news.
Besides that, I'm not that well-informed about the new staff in general, and we clearly don't have enough information about these new characters to rush to judgements, so I won't. That being said, I can't deny that I'm a little nervous about how this whole thing is going to turn out.
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