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Maruna
Posts: 36 Location: Boston |
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Unfortunately, the Internet has given birth to an entire generation which has grown comfortable with never having to pay for anything they can find online. By no means do they have any entitlement to those free products, but two things are clear: A) Some of them absolutely will not pay as long as a free option is available, and B) The rights holders will never be able to completely eliminate the piracy that makes their products freely available. More law-breakers will simply crop up in their wake and continue to provide the same service. To return to your previous point, the companies are being, "forward-thinking," with their attempts to make their products available for "free," (Although, to very little success) as a way of roping in the crowd who is never going to pay. There is a higher possibility some of the freeloaders might start generating ad revenue via the Official, "free" alternative, as opposed to attempting (and failing) to crush the pirates and then ask those same people to begin paying. |
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rinkwolf10
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Really, but then we wouldn't have gotten MoHS as fast as we did and it might not have gotten the treatment that got (the cast might have been weaker). Just to say, if a show does really well illegally then that is like a wake up call for the once that can license and license the material. |
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sdhd
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The internet have been here over a decade and the e-book reader over 5 years. These two technology are not going anywhere. Technology is only successful when society and companies accept it. Amazon.com was a great place for people to download e-books and read it on a computer, laptop, and on a pda five years ago for a nominal fee before the Kindle and the Sony were the big thing. The manga, manhaw, and anime should have cater to the customers who would pay for a service and products.
The companies are reacting to the problem of scanlation and fansub. If the companies were "forward thinkers" they would have nip this along time ago. I believe the Japanese and American manga and anime companies relied on scanlation and fansub back in the old days without understanding what it would do to their business. If the company have what the customers want then most people will pay for them. If the company exceed the expectation of the customers then the customer will return again. The company would have to ask do they want quality customers who will buy the products/services or quantity customers who won't buy the product/service. Cater to those who are willing to spend money instead of those who won't. |
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Unholy_Nny
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Checked out the app, it seems to be lacking some big name titles (Naruto, Full Metal Alchemist, etc) that are found on the site they get their stuff from. Which is kinda weird.
Wonder if they thought they could avoid trouble by not providing access to the big name titles? FYI, I don't read scans. ...most of the time |
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GMSenpai
Posts: 34 Location: Mass |
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Hate to break it to everyone, but there are other iPhone/iPod Touch apps out there that let you browse scanlations. Mangastream has an app for the iPhone/iPod Touch and Android. There's a Naruto specific scanlation app called "Naruto Live!" which has scalations of the latest Naurto chapters in the Apple App Store. And they've been out for a while.
Also keep in mind that Apple's app process probably looks for things that include malware and other harmful portions of an app that will damage the iPhone/iPod Touch rather then apps that break any sort of intellectual property. Probably the surprising part of this particular instance, is that the app is actually free. Most scalation viewing apps I've found are at a cost. |
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bayoab
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"Copyright infringement" is against the adsense TOS. The problem is it is very difficult to get google to act on a violation for it without being the actual copyright holder. (One could even argue that google doesn't do enough when informed.)
While this is true, there are many obstacles to get through before you even get to having a pay-to-read service. One of which is figuring out if enough people will actually legitimately use it to justify the costs of jumping in. Another of which is getting to Japan to jump on board as most publishers seem to suggest that Japan isn't very open to this. (Note: Japan is not exactly behind the times themselves. This is a licensing issue, as always.) |
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sunflower
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Most of the *readers* are clueless. But the people who *donate*, as sdhd said, know that those sites need financial backing - otherwise they wouldn't donate. I have to think that those who give money would be willing to give it to legitimate apps or sites instead, provided they got something similar in return. |
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Paploo
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I think you misunderstood bayo- The people who donate *think* these sites need financial backing (when often they don't), and are tricked into donating (and participating in an illegal act) by people with questionable ethics asking for "donations". These aren't charities, or even legit businesses, and I think a lot of these fans are naive and think they are donating to something legit. When they're actually being frauded by some tricksters. |
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Pedestrian A
Posts: 160 Location: Toronto, ON |
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[quote="Paploo"]
Fansubs and scanlations aren't legitimate? No way~ I never knew that! To be honest, it's their choice, so who cares? If the fansub/scan groups are 1) buying their own materials to achieve higher quality of the releases or because it's the "lost treasure" that never got overseas, and 2) hosting their own servers for fast DDL, it amounts to a hefty cost that individuals are paying out of their own pockets. It is upto your volition to donate or not, but if the work in question is available in your region, the "right" thing to do would be to purchase the legitimate copy. Of course, it would all depend on various factors for people. |
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sdhd
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Are the sites lying when they said they need people to donate (pay) $5 to get unlimited fansub and scanlation per month due to the huge downloads because it is from their servers? There sites that ask for donation because the person who started don't have the money to keep it going. Maybe with the exception of third party video hosting then you are correct to assume that the site do not need donations because they are leeching off from Youtube or Megavideo to name a few. The sites that have people upload contents do ask for money due to both servers and bandwidth costs. The majority of the people who donate knows what they are doing after the second or third time because they go on forum that talks about fansub and scanlation titles. I noticed the fansub and scanlation fans are not speaking in favor of them as much as a few years ago on ANN. Wonder where the folks are now?
Scanlation sites have sold people the idea that if it is available in your country then please support the author and buy the manga is an excused used over the years to justified scanlation. |
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littlegreenwolf
Posts: 4796 Location: Seattle, WA |
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Hell no. NEVER give those people money. I was with a scanlation group for a while and we NEVER asked for money. You know why? It was our hobby, and it didn't cost that much to do. Already had a web-server anyway that I paid 8 bucks a month for. That's about it, and all those gigs of bandwidth weren't ever used up. 4 bucks here or there for a tankubon, big whoop. If a scanlation group is asking you for money, quit using them. They're looking for a profit. |
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CG-LOVER
Posts: 355 Location: East Lansing, MI |
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I hope they can remove that app ASAP. I don't care what justification is used, stealing is stealing. We need a fullscale crackdown on stuff like this!
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mangaboys
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Guys, here's a very interesting post about manga scanlations on the
website Comic Book Resource:
It's so true that as a manga lover, I would just love to read manga whenever, wherever I want with my iPhone. But these manga publishers are just too lazy to step out of their comfort zone And I've just tested out Manga Rock as well, the app actually turn out to be .... great, even though it's missing a few top manga. Definitely it is because of licenses issue. In fact, those belongs to Yen Press is also NOT available within the app such as Black God or Bamboo Blade. It looks like Manga Rock developers have taken some steps to remove manga titles from Yen press. Here's what those developers announces on their blog: http://blog.notabasement.com/?p=48. |
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ltkjguru
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Guys, here's a very interesting post about manga scanlations on the website Comic Book Resource:
It's so true that as a manga lover, I would just love to read manga whenever, wherever I want with my iPhone. But these manga publishers are just too lazy to step out of their comfort zone And I've just tested out Manga Rock as well, the app actually turn out to be .... great, even though it's missing a few top manga. Definitely it is because of licenses issue. In fact, those belongs to Yen Press is not available within my app such as Black God or Bamboo Blade. It looks like Manga Rock developers have taken some steps to remove manga titles from Yen press. Here's what those developers announces on their blog: http://blog.notabasement.com/?p=48 |
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littlegreenwolf
Posts: 4796 Location: Seattle, WA |
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Ha, that was actually quite an amusing read on their end.
Their claim to stupidity is one I just can't buy. I read scanlations all the time, but I'm not stupid think they're not infringing on copyrights somewhere. Trying to make money off of them is just asking for trouble. |
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