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abunai
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Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2004 2:53 pm
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Friend dormcat has been kind enough to send me a copy of the PM I wrote when SaiKano was fresh in my mind. Here's what I wrote (abbreviated to remove extraneous material) back then:
abunai wrote: | We do have a lot to talk about... Let's start with the French text fragments that are flashed during the OP.
(snippage)
Now, you asked another question:
dormcat wrote: | One thing I don't understand is why Shin Takahashi put French in manga (the troops attacking Hokkaido speak English in anime, but French in manga). |
The short answer is that French and English both signal "technologically advanced foreign culture with a history of hostility towards Japan" to the Japanese, and that may well be enough answer in itself. However, I think this deserves a fairly complex answer, if you're up to it. What follows is my preliminary analysis of some of the details of the series, in a question-and-answer format.
(snippage)
1. Who is fighting the war?
On the one side, obviously, Western military forces are deployed against Japan. No mention is made as to whether Japan is all alone, or has allies. For reasons which I will shortly make clear, I believe that this war is between Japan alone on the one side, and most of the rest of the world on the other.
It is clear that the war hasn't been going on long - but long enough for Tokyo to have been destroyed (in a nuclear strike?) My reason for making this assumption is that none of the characters behave as if they are in a fully mobilised society, at least in the beginning. The war is a recent and somewhat unreal thing to them, in Hokkaido, and only becomes "real" to them when the air raid hits Sapporo.
2. What is the cause of the war?
Hold on to your hat - I think Chise is the reason for the war. Or rather, I believe that Japan's possession of a ground-breaking new military technology (call it "ChiseTech") has caused the other technologically advanced nations to feel threatened, and to launch a pre-emptive strike at Japan. This is a militarily sound strategy - if you get intelligence that another nation is on the verge of developing weaponry that can render it overwhelmingly powerful, a quick pre-emptive strike to stop it before it goes into action makes sense.
I think this is why Tokyo was wiped out. Probably, it was the site of most of the advanced ChiseTech research, and was hit in an attempt to block the final development of the weaponry. Too late, of course. This also gives meaning to the early raid on Sapporo - if intelligence indicated the presence of Chise there, it would make sense to attempt a raid.
One datum which supports this is the fact that, no matter how many losses the enemy sustains, they keep going - even when we are told by Chise that their supply lines have been cut, and a normal response would be to negotiate a surrender.
Herein lies paradox: The more the enemy attacks, the more powerful Chise becomes, and the more imperative it becomes for them to stop her (and the less they have to lose, as she obliterates their cities). Look at the final enemy attack, in the final episode. That's desperation - the enemy is desperate.
Which brings us neatly to the last question:
3. What is Chise?
Chise is a weapon, of course - but she is of a completely different nature from other, earlier weapons. She isn't just a sort of glorified F-16 fighter with a brain.
She obviously contains advanced data-gathering capabilities, including the ability to patch into satellites, etc. But there's more to it than that - she displays almost supernatural awareness of events at a distance, repeatedly.
As a weapon, Chise demonstrates the ability to produce missiles, wings, and some sort of winglike energy structure from her body. On several occasions, we see missiles falling out of her. It is clear that there is no way these missiles can be stored within her (not enough room), nor can they have been produced from her body mass through some sort of nanotechnological wizardry. No, it is clear they must be manifesting through her body, from Elsewhere. But where, then, do they come from?
Look at the final episode. Those enormous spikey structures stretching down from the clouds are obviously part of Chise. She controls them. I suspect that they are part of the answer to this question, and my guess is this:
ChiseTech, whatever it is, involves the ability to extract energy and matter from elsewhere (either through a gateway from somewhere in this universe, or from some other dimension). Obviously, there is a quality of unstoppability to such technology, since there is no real limit to the amount of power that one can extract - hence the "ultimate weapon".
Like any real "ultimate weapon", its use guarantees only victory in the short term. In the long term, using it is equal to species extinction. Once the weapon goes online, it escalates in power until it obliterates everything. This is clearly the message of the anime - "war is folly, and total war with modern weapons is suicide".
That's as far as I've gotten with my analysis until now - I only finished the last episode last night, of course, and I'll be thinking it over for some time. No doubt, further insights will present themselves.
(remainder snipped)
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I hope you find this huge mass of self-quoted and spoiler-blocked material useful, and not annoying. If the latter, I apologise.
- abunai
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Iria51
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 3:01 pm
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My head hurts .
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abunai
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 3:05 pm
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Iria51 wrote: | My head hurts . |
There, there.
-abunai
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Photon the idiot
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 5:02 am
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I haven't seen saikano but someone told me who is big into anime that it looked really depressing. He told me that chise eventually dies. She is the main character of the show the cyborg. I dont really want to see a series where the main character dies, that seems really depressing and too sad for me.
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ShadowerV2
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 7:40 am
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Not just her man. THE WHOLE WORLD goes too....
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Sarki-Kun
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 8:27 am
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ShadowerV2 wrote: |
Not just her man. THE WHOLE WORLD goes too.... |
And it was human's fault. I'll admit, have read Saikano but NOT the whole thread...I'm not sure if someone wrote ALL the dialogues in there, xD
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Photon the idiot
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 12:36 pm
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whats up with the spoiler and the whole thing of all those blanked spaces? is that the stuff about the show saikano that they censor so people dont spoil the show for other people?
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dormcat
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 2:23 pm
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Photon the idiot wrote: | whats up with the spoiler and the whole thing of all those blanked spaces? is that the stuff about the show saikano that they censor so people don't spoil the show for other people? |
Is this the first time for you to participate a forum discussion? The function of spoiler tag is to hide detailed storyline to those who have not seen the anime/manga/whatever. If you have seen it, or you want to know the details even if you haven't, just highlight the blackened lines to read the text.
Spoiler tags were added by the author of the post by their free will for being courteous to those who want to enjoy the show by themselves rather than being told by someone else. DO NOT misinterpret it as censorship.
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The Ramblin' Wreck
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 3:44 pm
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Ahh,
"Saikano" didn't watch "Dr. Strangelove"
Namely, "whats the point of an ultimate weapon, if you can't use it?"
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abunai
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 3:47 pm
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"Jawohl, mein Führer! Uh, I mean, Mr. President."
Kubrick makes the same point in Dr. Strangelove as SaiKano does - that an ultimate weapon by its very nature is useless, because it kills off all parties to the conflict, including the side that possesses the ultimate weapon. He just uses a much less agonising, and more humorous, approach.
- abunai
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The Ramblin' Wreck
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 10:28 pm
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Ah, now theres an AMV for you:
"We'll meet again. Don't know where, don't know when..."
to
Saikano
/dashing off to AMV.org to claim the idea.
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Photon the idiot
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 11:28 pm
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i get that whole blank spaces thing so they wont find out about what happens in saikano but then if they knew to higlight them to see the words wouldnt some people just look anyway like who cares id rather know what happens or something like that?
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Photon the idiot
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 11:28 pm
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I did buy saikano but i returned it cause it looked 2 depressing to me.
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TF
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Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 4:21 am
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question?
Is saikano more depressing than grave of the fireflies?
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Sarki-Kun
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Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2004 2:32 pm
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Answer, no.
Or well, I haven't seen the Saikano anime (just read the manga), but I didn't cry as much as I recently did with Grave of the Fireflies...Yes, I'm still in shock. 15 minutes since it ended...A truthly masterpiece...
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