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Tenchi
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Yeah, but Cars was delayed until 2006, and there aren't currently any Miyazaki films on the horizon beyond Howl's Moving Castle, so, while Howl may indeed turn out to be the critical favourite to win the BAF Oscar in 2006, I doubt there would be any other anime films that would make nearly as many critical ripples for the BAF Oscar in 2007. I mean, it would be good if the Academy could notice that other directors besides Miyazaki make quality anime films, but I still don't think any anime that isn't Miyazaki seriously has a chance with them.
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Cloe
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I quite agree. I'm an animator as well, and the Annies are not a joke, not to me. Animators work very hard to do what they do and deserve to be recognized every once in a while. It's not their fault that "mainstream" animation seems limited to Cartoon Network and Nick. Unfortunately, those are the major outlets for non-theatrical animation right now. But as more and more people notice and appreciate animation, I'm sure that more and more good quality animation will appear on more networks. But back to the Annies... I'm cheering on Yoko Kanno with all my heart. I really, really want her to win (so a few more people in the US will learn her name and begin listening to her music, if nothing else). I'm afraid I'll have to root for The Incredibles over Innocence for best picture though. I don't think it should have been nominated in that category at all, personally. It may rightly deserve the animated effects award, but it doesn't have much else going for it. |
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GATSU
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I probably will see The Incredibles and other Pixar movies besides the first Toy Story one day. But let's face it. The only reason they get the praise they do is because their films are in
cg. If they were in 2-d, they'd be called Disney knock-offs. Yes, you could cite the failures of Spirits Within and Polar Express as proof that it's not the cg which matters, but there are also countless quality 2-d films-including Bird's own Iron Giant-which haven't even put a dent in the box office. As for Innocence, I'll admit it wasn't as good as the first film, but that was probably the point. I was frequently disappointed with Oshii's work which came out after the first GITS(particularly with Jin Roh), but it was refreshing to see Oshii mellow out on Innocence and just make it a one-shot deal in which I could just relax and not have to pay attention to every single detail or character like I might've had to do in the first film. (Although he still made that more convenient than Shirow.) Anyway, Innocence is probably going to be Oshii's last animated film for a while, while Pixar is already making plans to release a flick about cg talking cars two years from now, because they've gotten greedy and stupid like Disney. Guess who I respect more. Last edited by GATSU on Thu Dec 09, 2004 2:05 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Tenchi
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The Incredibles is also getting praise because it's a terrific, intelligent film. That's why I'd praise it, at least, 2D or 3D.
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Proman
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Polar Express has a bad opening weekend put it's been doing great lately. Right now it's in #2 spot with $98,006,493 million dollars and shows no signs of slowing down. It's going to be a hit.
What are you talking about? They got greedy because they want to release a movie two years from now? Do you think they should stop making movies? I think "Toy Story 3" speaks volumes about who's really greedy. By the way, I really liked "Jin-Roh". It's storyline wasn't as interesting as in "Ghost in the Shell" but overall I thought it was better movie. |
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GATSU
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Proman:
It's doing better, but it'll take a while for it to make a profit.
Actually, the original intention was one year from now, which is exactly what people have been complaining about Disney doing. (That is, releasing an animated film every year for a quick cash-grab, instead of taking the time to produce a film they believe in.)
So making a superhero spoof to cash in on the popularity of superhero films wouldn't be considered "greedy" either? [/quote] |
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Proman
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All of their films so fat have been of very high quality so that pretty much takes away your right to complain. If one year is enough for them to make a quality movie then I don't see why they should wait longer. Besides, Disney releases a lot more than one movie per year and many of them aren't very good.
I love it how you dodged my comment about "Toy Story 3". Greedy or not, it was a good movie, so I'm not complaining. I think you're labeling things too much. |
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GATSU
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Toy Story 3 would've probably happened, even if Pixar hadn't decided to leave Disney. The difference now is that Disney doesn't have to settle for a 10% distribution fee as profit, instead of the usual 50% profit they currently make.
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Cloe
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Making that might count as greedy, yes. But crafting an intelligent, witty satire that takes the sensibility of live-action filming techniques and finally throws away age-old conventions of over-sensitivity to violence in “kid’s” films? Nope. If Park didn’t believe in this film and cared only about cashing in, The Incredibles would be another mindless, inane wreck of a kid’s flick (Good Boy comes to mind…)--not one of the best-reviewed titles of the year, as it well should be. The visuals of the film are beautiful, yes, but the most refreshing aspect of this animation is not in the visuals, but a solid script. Something I think Innocence is sorely missing. Oh, and The Iron Giant is a wonderful film. ...and just to get back to topic, er.. I'm behind Yoko Kanno 100%! |
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Proman
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Wrong. The main difference is that before Disney was just a distributor (which is why they only received a 10% distribution fee) and now they will have to make the movie by themselves. |
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GATSU
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Cloe: Um, superhero parodies are a dime a dozen. And superhero films aren't about scripts, but about characters, which is why I feel-at least judging by the legal clips I've seen on-line-that the Incredibles fails. And yes, Innocence sort of became muddled by the end. But the characters were able to hold up the film.
Proman: Actually, up until now, Disney and Pixar split the profits 50/50. Then Pixar just wanted the same deal as Lucas has with FOX, where he only pays a 10% distribution fee for Star Wars, which was obviously a stupid mistake on FOX's part that I doubt any studio would want to make again anytime soon. Especially since Pixar films are successful, but not successful on the same level as Star Wars. And only an arrogant idiot like Jobs would think otherwise, which is why he still wants to stay with Disney, because deep down, he knows they're the only company who can properly sell Pixar films, even if other studios are willing to make higher bids. And if Disney made a Toy Story 3 by themselves, they could make a quick buck, without having to pay Pixar. |
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Tenchi
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See the in-between parts that aren't available online; Brad Bird was at the helm, so the characters are very well-developed.
My first reaction to it based on the initial teaser was that it was just going to be another lame superhero spoof or a Tick rip-off, but, no, the family really does feel like a family and not just a group of wacky characters who just happen to be related somehow. |
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Aaron White
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Tick was, shall we say, deeply indebted to Megaton Man.
Yoko Kanno is a skillful pastiche artist. She has an exceptional understanding of timbre and melody, and a knack for duplicating established styles. It does set my teeth on edge a bit that so many fans worship her but don't listen to the artists to whom she is, shall we say, deeply indebted. |
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Pop-Art Samurai
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^ Such as?
btw, I'm curious, when was Cars moved back to 2006? Edit in response to below: I've been out of the loop for a few days, so if it was recent that explains it. If it was longer ago I guess I just didn't see it. Last edited by Pop-Art Samurai on Thu Dec 09, 2004 9:14 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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GATSU
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Samurai: Cars being pushed back has been announced just about everywhere.
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