Forum - View topicHow Keijo Won the Gold in Fanservice
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zrnzle500
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@Lord Oink I don't think it is asking too much to want better fanservice, in terms of presentation of the characters and how it interacts with the other story elements. Shows like this and Monster Musume show this can be done. I don't think an "accept it or you're in the wrong place" attitude is productive towards expanding the community and bringing the different segments of the community together.
The point on Keijo being straight forward and honest with the fanservice is that many such shows aren't. The fanservice isn't as integral in many such shows. Like I said earlier, the fanservice and plot can often seem tacked on to each other. They act like they are about their serious plot but often seem more like vehicles for showing the girls in a state of undress or very tight clothing that may as well be equivalent. Not that there isn't a place for that, but that isn't everyone's cup of tea. On the voyeurism question, while you can find a shot or two that might qualify, generally the presentation is not so. |
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Valhern
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Most of the run-of-the-mill fanservice shows build a foundation to make it believable that one guy in the whole universe manages to get the attention of five (or more, however long the series runs) of the hottest girls to be found, and most of the sexual innuendos come from the series making it as hard as possible for me to care for each and every realtionship, while the male character is bland enough for everybody to project on, and him commiting to none of the possible relationships. They will usually have long-winded backgrounds, magic systems and the like, but with basically no other purpose than give a setting for T&A. However, in Keijo, the setting IS that same fanservice, and it makes its own selling point fun, there is no guy for us to project on (in the manga there is one very secondary guy that acts as love interest of sorts, but largely irrelevant), it's the most honest way to show fanservice, it doesn't need to do anything complicated (the plot of most sport anime is rather easy) and only has to concentrate on making it fun, and build on its characters. This is especially so because Keijo is a fictional sport, it's not like Ro-Kyu-Bu, which just added moe fanservice without care for the sport at all, and in the case of Keijo, it was made so the sport would let the author run wild with whatever weird way of showing fanservice he could thought upon. |
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zztop
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I'm not surprised, considering the source manga is serialized in the Weekly Shonen Sunday magazine. On the flip side of Keijo where you get female cast=shounen sensibilities, I've heard of some shoujo titles which have a primarily male cast, but their personalities are more attuned towards shoujo sensibilities. |
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Snomaster1
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Well,I'm glad to see that none of my predictions about "Keijo" came true. No outraged demonstrations from the Gloria Steinem set at Funimation. No pseudonyms from the women who did this out of fear of embarrassment for doing a show like this. Nothing like I predicted earlier came to pass,thank goodness. This seems like this would comfortably fit on Adult Swim's Toonami block or on Comedy Central,if they ever got an anime block. There are those who might compare this to the 1980's movie "Hardbodies,"which I saw a promo for once or one of those comedies like "Sweet Liberty" or many of the other movies I saw when they were in VHS boxes when video stores were still around.
The way I read it,"Keijo!!!!!!!!" seems to be a parody of sports anime or shounen anime. One of it's biggest and obvious selling points of this show are the girls. They are definitely pretty (and the parts that they use in this sport are also that,as well). Some of the stuff that they do on this show might make me a little uncomfortable watching it,but it seems that the people who did it actually took their time and built a story around it and they also did it in such a way as to try to not make the subject matter somewhat easier to get into for those who might not be comfortable watching something like this. All in all,I might give "Keijo!!!!!!" a try if I ever get a chance to see it. I hope that there's a second season to this,like they might do an international competition of this and they bring in Keijo players from all over the world who will compete in a tournament or one of the main characters moves to America to spread Keijo outside of Japan. I'd like that. While "Keijo!!!!!!!" could be considered the "Free!" for the male set,it also sounds like a fanservice show I could watch without a lot of discomfort. I just hope that'll be the case when I first see it. |
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Azmodeus
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One thing that isn't mentioned, is how all the humor and fan-service never talks down to it's audience. Similarly how it never pushes a voyeuristic view, it never belittle fan-service shows or sports shows. The formula for both are intact and treated as integral to the shows story and characters, rather then something to be ashamed of or ridiculed.
it never pretends to be more then what it is, true, but it also never pretends to be less either, nor make any assumptions of it's viewers (other then maybe having a preference for the rear view). |
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Megiddo
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It's not. Please, stop rationalizing acceptance with this "it's a parody" argument. Keijo is not a parody. It is an all-female main cast sports anime with the same goofy, over-the-top, and exaggerated moves that has been around since at least Prince of Tennis, if not even before then. Hell, look at this season's Shakunetsu no Takkyuu Musume. It's the same formula. Look at previous sports anime like Saki and it has the same all-female main cast and over-the-top/exaggerated moves. Hell, even Girls und Panzer, especially the movie, has a very similar formula.. These sorts of shows are fun, silly, with a good helping of some level of fanservice. That's exactly what Keijo is. Just accept that. Not everything enjoyable is a parody or a deconstruction. Sometimes it's just something that would otherwise seem trite, but manages to be enjoyable because it's executed well. |
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Lord Geo
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More like "wayyyyyyyy before then", as the over-the-top & exaggerated sports concept has been around since the 70s with titles like Team Astro & Ring ni Kakero (the latter of which has even been named "The Hot-Blooded Fighting Manga Bible", i.e. nearly everything we associate with shonen action got its [modern day] start there).
Exactly. I can never get the reasoning people use when they try to explain away an over-the-top execution as "it's parody". Are they simply embarrassed to admit that they legitimately like it, or are they just incapable of accepting that people (especially the Japanese) honestly like this kind of execution? Quite honestly, most of the sports series, in particular, that went on to influence & inspire people who would become major names in sports were in fact over-the-top titles (Captain Tsubasa, Kinnikuman, Ring ni Kakero, Prince of Tennis, etc.). |
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Hawkmonger
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Oh go'wan, go'wan, go'wan, go'wan, wont you have a Keijo... |
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Chrno2
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Well, at least they are doing "butts" instead of boobs. Reminds me of the woman who could break chopsticks with her butt. But is this more over the top than 'QB'?
What more can you expect? |
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teferi
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Oh come on. They took the sports genre and made a series that revolves around butts. It's so exaggerated that saying it's anything butt a parody is ridiculous. |
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Lord Oink
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Maybe your circle of friends is different, but I only hang out with people who are into anime, and most of the girls have zero issues with pervy stuff and actually partake in it themselves, like buying second-hand BL doujinshi. It's not 'being edgy', it's called being an adult.
That doesn't make a show dishonest, it just means the viewer has their own personal hang-ups. Plenty of people can and do enjoy plot and fanservice together without being a jaded cynics who view stories or character backgrounds as worthless. If someone can't, it's on them. Ironically it sounds like people want little more than girls jumping up and down in front of the camera, and trying to do more is unwelcom. |
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Beatdigga
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I think people can be forgiven for being taken aback at first glance.
Like when Adult Swim made a card explaining Keijo before BEGGING people to watch Toonami instead and "save anime". |
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zrnzle500
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@LordOink I fail to see how buying BL doujinshi indicates an openness to boob groping in anime. Sure they have their own fanservice but that was not the point of Top Gun's comment.
And you have missed my previous point entirely. My point was that they too often are barely trying to do more than have a girl bounce up and down. The execution of how the fanservice elements and plot elements work together is frequently poor in fanservicey titles. Well the execution is too often poor in general. The plot often comes off as mere pretense for fanservice and often is just rote and exposition and technobabble heavy. Fanservice shows can do better, and that is what we want. |
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Azmodeus
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As opposed to Mecha basketball, childrens card games (ON MOTORCYKLES) or gunpla battles? Anime in general, and shounen in particular, is about taking a part of Japanese culture and exaggerate it. If following that makes Keijoh(!x8) a parody, then so is Game of thrones of medieval politics.
I don't think anyone bemoans people raising an eyebrow at the premise. It's the insistence that the premise somehow invalidates what good qualities people find in the execution. "It's about TnA! Hence, framing, character writing & themes all of a sudden stop mattering!" That's the kind of attitude that can get ones swimsuit in twist. |
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Paiprince
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What defines as an actual female to you, Mr. fanservice hater? I'll be sure never to associate with those types. And lol @ assuming all women are all grossed out by female fanservice. Now who's simplifying and generalizing now? Face it. You're just here to lord over those who like these sort of thing. Ego stroking is so hard to let go. I know. |
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