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NEWS: ADV Head Says UK Issues May Be Due to Illegal Releases

I don't know. When I hear people say stuff like this it just comes across like whining. I don't doubt that these companies are in trouble but it just comes off to me as "If we're in trouble it must be somebody else's fault." They're just assuming that if sales are poor it must be fansubs. On the surface that may seem like the obvious assumption but if you actually look even a little deeper it really isn't. There are a lot of factors that affect the industry. If they would actually look at why people are turning to fansubs and try to adapt to meet customers needs instead of complaining about it maybe they would be able to do something about it.

Nice to see all the excuses for why fansubs are OK. Oh, well, if you kill the industry with them it'll be your own fault. Illegal is illegal, nothing you can say will make a crime any less a crime.

The only real harm the death of the industry would cause is less money for the original creators and producers. However, much like the time before anime went global, the animators and manga-ka will still make anime and manga, only at a slower rate. The TV stations (NHK, TBS, BS1/2) will still order anime and the jumps of the world will still bring out their phone book sized anthologies each week/month.

The point of this is that people who only watch fansubs do not care about the industry - and really why should they? They will still get what they want if ADV/whoever closes or not. It does not matter to them and that's all there really is to it.

Sagecat wrote:

The only real harm the death of the industry would cause is less money for the original creators and producers. However, much like the time before anime went global, the animators and manga-ka will still make anime and manga, only at a slower rate. The TV stations (NHK, TBS, BS1/2) will still order anime and the jumps of the world will still bring out their phone book sized anthologies each week/month. The point of this is that people who only watch fansubs do not care about the industry - and really why should they? They will still get what they want if ADV/whoever closes or not. It does not matter to them and that's all there really is to it.

You know, this "screw everyone else, I got mine, the only thing that ever matters is whether or not I get what I want" anti-social garbage is getting really, really tiresome and makes me wonder about some of you. A lot of this rhetoric is so selfish and ignorant it borders on sociopathic.

pknecron wrote:

Nice to see all the excuses for why fansubs are OK. Oh, well, if you kill the industry with them it'll be your own fault. Illegal is illegal, nothing you can say will make a crime any less a crime.

I'm not talking about what I do or do not do. Keep that in mind before you flame me.

I find your argument to be pretty weak. How does killing the industry hurt people who watch fansubs? Are they still going to be able to get fansubs? Yes. Will they still be able to watch shows currently airing on J-TV? Yes. Where does the death of the industry harm people who only watch subtitled anime?

Now, people who want to watch shows dubbed - yes, the death of the industry will hurt them because they won't be able to get English language anime any more. They will have to learn to read and start watching subbed stuff.

The only real harm the death of the industry would cause is less money for the original creators and producers. However, much like the time before anime went global, the animators and manga-ka will still make anime and manga, only at a slower rate. The TV stations (NHK, TBS, BS1/2) will still order anime and the jumps of the world will still bring out their phone book sized anthologies each week/month.

The point of this is that people who only watch fansubs do not care about the industry - and really why should they? They will still get what they want if ADV/whoever closes or not. It does not matter to them and that's all there really is to it.

But, the reason the English language is so great, is because instead of trying to maintain some sort of artificial "linguistic purity", when we come into contact with foreign cultures, we grab up their words like crazy and integrate them into the language. We *SHOULD* do the same with subbed stuff from Korean, or Chinese shows. Don't avoid foreign culture references, *explain* them, this serves to enrich the experience. I personally cannot stand "adaptations/localizations" in anime. This is why I avoid most dubs. They're way too comfortable rewriting things. As someone who is proficient in Japanese, however, I can say the vast majority of subtitle tracks on anime discs are very accurate, only occasionally missing or deliberately dodging Japanese cultural references.

[Edit: Saying nothing more than basically "Neener Neener Neener, I'm downloading fansubs" adds nothing to the discussion. If you're uninterested in discussing the topic then don't bother adding to the topic, all these one-liners and trolling is getting old. - Keonyn]

Because doing so costs a lot of money in our "justice" system. It's no secret that often seeking "justice" in our incredibly defective system is usually so costly in the realm of time and money that it actually only victimizes the victims even further. Frankly, they can't afford to do anything about it, and the resulting uproar amongst the fans that could result would only complicate matters and possibly make things worse.

The only real harm the death of the industry would cause is less money for the original creators and producers. However, much like the time before anime went global, the animators and manga-ka will still make anime and manga, only at a slower rate. The TV stations (NHK, TBS, BS1/2) will still order anime and the jumps of the world will still bring out their phone book sized anthologies each week/month.

posterior_praiser wrote:

Some people also like to have subs that keep more terms in japanese, instead of translating them, such as 'bankai' or 'shinigami' and ect. Not to say I do, but some people perfer it. Doesn't make it more accurate, but the style is more attractive to some.

You mean like this?

(And if they can't even afford to have their lawyers mail out a few letters, they are truly doomed.)