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NEWS: Kodomo no Jikan Kickstarter Meets Goal

You and I clearly have different definitions of what constitutes a sexual act then. To my mind, for an act to be sexual it requires a mental component of sexual intent and well the physical act. Regardless of whether the action itself would typically be considered a sexual act if provided in the absence of context, the question of whether an act is or is not sexual within the narrative comes down to the intent with which the act was performed.

Nobody would argue, of course, that the intent of the imagery was to provide sexual gratification through the provision of a scenario which, taken without content, would carry sexual connotations and therefore may still incite arousal. However, within the story neither spoiler[Rin nor Mimi] would consider themselves to have engaged in sexual activity or to have done so for sexual purposes. Ergo, the act was not sexual within the narrative.

Holy shit that video has issues. They point out how its all fantasy and doesnt exist and condemn it because its somehow effecting reality and is bad for people. If it doesnt exist it cant possibly directly do anything to anyone and in order for something to be wrong it must DIRECTLY do something. Creating a fantasy that has some elements people dont agree with is perfectly fine. Creating said orc rape fantasy setting as said in the video is perfectly fine and ok as there are no actual orcs in reality raping people nor does it directly brainwash anyone into doing it. If that were the case any and every slasher film or exploitation film ever made is somehow immoral and should be illegal. You dont have to justify art. You dont have to justify freedom of speech and expression. If you dont like what you see dont watch it.

Holy shit that video has issues. They point out how its all fantasy and doesnt exist and condemn it because its somehow effecting reality and is bad for people. If it doesnt exist it cant possibly directly do anything to anyone and in order for something to be wrong it must DIRECTLY do something. Creating a fantasy that has some elements people dont agree with is perfectly fine. Creating said orc rape fantasy setting as said in the video is perfectly fine and ok as there are no actual orcs in reality raping people nor does it directly brainwash anyone into doing it. If that were the case any and every slasher film or exploitation film ever made is somehow immoral and should be illegal. You dont have to justify art. You dont have to justify freedom of speech and expression. If you dont like what you see dont watch it.

The entire argument against these kinds of things is a simple "I dont like it so its TOTALLY WRONG AND IMMORAL AND NEEDS TO BE BANNED!" Its all a giant joke. I dont like rap but you dont see me out with a sign calling for it to all be removed from stores and its creators jailed. You dont have to like something you just have to acknowledge that it has a right to exist.

It was a nice touch for him to be wearing those problem glasses though.

Watching that video, it's clear he completely rejects any form of contextualization as a "Thermian argument" because it might damage his surface-level criticism. If you had a man in platemail and a woman in tights(which superheros lifted from acrobats), he'd probably dismiss any claim of them having two different fighting styles because the author could've made them have the same and thus dressed them the same. That he didn't offer any real examples that weren't torture porn says a lot about his point of view.

Note that I'm not trying to inject myself into the actual argument; it's just your video is shit.

I'd like to hope that this will mean that Watashiya's latest work will also be released in the US. She's been a trooper throughout this campaign, increasing the offered sketches from 4 to 7 to 19.

Honestly, it should have been locked the moment things started getting out of hand. Topics like this are going to spiral out of control. It's the internet, it always happens. There's really no purpose to keeping the thread open once someone has "disturbed the bear", so to speak. Unless threads like this are bait to try and weed out inflammatory users, I don't see how letting the conversation to continue to spiral out of control (like it ALWAYS does) really does any good.

Everyone here is foaming at the mouth about whether or not ecchi content is, or should be, contextually justified, but am I seriously the only one surprised to find out that the author of KnJ is in fact a woman? If you look at other popular franchises with loli fanservice like Dance in the Vampire Bund, Black Bullet and Monogatari, all of those have been written by male authors. I wonder if there would be this much backlash if a male author made a manga with shota fanservice.

As for the whole ecchi argument, I think it's pretty damn stupid. Yes, there are risque scenes in an ecchi manga that may or may not titillate the reader. And yes, those scenes can at the same time work in the context of the story to reveal new aspects of the characters, move the story forward, create tension / drama, etc.

As someone who has actually read this entire series and who can safely say it makes my skin crawl, I still maintain it isnt outright porn/lolicon. It's just a very disappointing psychological story that could have been a great exploration of a disturbed child's mind but spoiler[instead she literally ends up banging the teacher but its ok guys! there was a time skip! And its ok that the teacher had feelings for her before then because she SEDUCED him, the little whore! barf. Seriously man that ending made me want to retract every single defense I'd ever made for the series.]

but my personal irks about the series aside I mainly just came in to say that the Australian dude who got arrested for simpsons porn had actually been busted previously for actual, real child porn and was on some kind of good behaviour trial. I'm not saying simpsons porn is obscene enough to justify him blowing that, but the point is that wasnt what he was being arrested for and it gets a little tiring seeing it come up all the time as 'evidence' that australia would send anyone to jail over simpsons porn. So I doubt this would be actually illegal in any western country unless it was actual lolicon porn outright, although granted there are plenty of pages that would be awfully hard to explain out of context.
EDIT- I've seen the japanese volumes of it at Kinokuniya in Sydney, so there's that.