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Iemander
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coldspider,
let me be plain. Your post did not convince me in any way. Just reading your post reminds me why exactly I hate DBZ again. I also love how DBZ fans keep avoiding the real issue, I'll just give an example this time, think 5 episodes of spirit bomb loading. |
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Gauss
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Well, IMO Boys Be is not wrongly rated since it doesn't tend to get very high ratings to begin with. It's at best an average show. I had heard that it would improve a lot at the halfway mark so I sat through the first half only to discover the second half was more of the same. The only episode that stood out was the 13th episode. It was, yes, more of the same but this time Megumi Hayashibara made a guest entry. Remarkable what difference a good seiyuu can make. |
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joel_s95387
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I'm been thinking about it and now I feel that Full Metal Alchemist is over rated. I was into it but when I got a chance to watch it again and analyse what was going on and character development and story I was dissappointed. Same thing happened with DBZ. I watched it, liked it, watched it again for what it was, and cried myself to sleep for wasting so many hours of my life.
I think all anime comedy titles are over rated. Excel Saga in particular. I just don't find anime titles that are intended to be funny, actually funny. I thought Full Metal Alchemist was funnier than Excel. Those sudden jokes instead of complete stupidity was funny to me. The only one I give props to is Colorful. I loved this "movie". Funny as hell and the first anime that my friends, who never watch anime, loved. They wouldn't stop saying spoiler[Ah Ya Pussy]the next day at school. I liked FLCL but not for it's comedy but story. I too come from a really small town, population 300, and sure stuff like that doesn't happen here but I thought it was really creative and I enjoyed the Guitar music a whole lot. I think these match the over rated category because I see them recommend it a lot, and have been recommended, these titles in many of the forums. As for under rated, I agree with Blue Gender. It was the first real "adult", IMO, anime I ever watched and loved it. I liked Star Ship Troopers so this title really got my attention and the fact I hate bugs, Arachnophobia in particular, I really liked watching them die. Texhnolyze was really entertaining. I felt like the first DVD moved a little slow but the series got better and I hear a lot of positive comments, eexcept for those few in this topic who agreed with the fact it's underrated. I really loved the Techno intro too. |
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AngstSchreeuw
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I think it at least deserves an above average rating, since it is so much better than most popular anime and most "romantic" anime (all harem anime :S). But it's of course quite personal. I was surprised by the normal characters, and I really like this kind of atmosphere in anime. I agree it has its flaws and that the 13th episode was definitely the best  .
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Kouji
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To add on to my list of over-rated and under-rated anime...
Over-rated: Kiki's Delivery Service-Almost every Miyazaki fan I've met gives nothing but praise to this film. While I think Kiki's Delivery Service is a really cute anime movie, that's really all it is; just a really cute movie. The movie has virtually no plot at all and is way too slowly-paced. It's not that I don't like long anime movies or even plotless anime. It's just when a movie is two hours long with no plot at all, it's hard for it to grab my attention. Kiki's Delivery Service was my first Miyazaki film and the first time I saw it, I really liked it, but now that I've seen more of Miyazaki-san's other works, I don't think Kiki's Delivery Service is as good as most other anime fans seem to. Macross: Do You Remember Love?-Even though I'm a big fan of the original Macross, I find this movie to be a bit over-rated. It's pretty much just a summary of the Macross TV show presented in a two hour film with some new animation and some slight differences. I don't mind movie versions of TV shows but it'd be nice if they had made more differences between Do You Remember Love?'s storyline and the TV show's plot to give it something new about it. The film also lacked character development and while I know the movie expects you to already be familiar with the cast, I think they should have at least given characters like Roy a little bit more screentime because it's hard to feel anything emotional for him when spoiler[he gets killed off, especially when you don't know anything about him.]Macross has always been about the characters and their relationships, so while in most cases, I can forgive movie versions of TV shows for lacking character development, I believe that it's important for Macross. Under-rated: Digimon-I'm going to have to disagree with the earlier response about Digimon being over-rated because I find Digimon to be under-rated. When so many anime fans, including Dragonball Z fans, hate these types of shows like Pokemon, Digimon, or whatever, it's hard to believe that anyone can classify them as being "over-rated" when most everyone seems to hate them. Many anime fans are quick to judge Digimon as being a Pokemon rip-off simply because it has a similar name and that it also involves monsters evolving and battling against each other, but I find that Digimon is a lot different than Pokemon. Digimon has more character development, more human/monster interaction, and the humans and monsters in Digimon work together more as friends rather than monster and trainer like in Pokemon. In later episodes like Digimon Tamers, they actually start to use some stragety in their battles, and the human characters begin to feel all the pain their partner feels. They even merge together with the Digimon through Matrix Evolution/biomerge digivolution, and in Digimon Frontier, the human characters even evolve into Digimon themselves rather than have partners. Digimon actually has an intelligent plot that may start out simplistic at first but begins to change over time. The different kinds of evolution in Digimon is also a very unique twist. Digimon has several different kinds of evolution with different results for each evolution, so it gives each new season something fresh and original about it. Digimon also deals with many real-life situations kids deal with it, like a child that doesn't understand why their parent is so over-protective of them, or siblings dealing with their parents' divorce, and some later episodes can even become rather dark and angsty. Digimon may be a commercialized anime but it also has good coming-of-age storylines. I just think Digimon is a good family show that can prove it's a lot more intillegent than it appears to be at first, if only anti-Pokemon fans would be willing to give it a chance. Macross 2-I also agree that Macross 2 is under-rated. Many Macross fans accuse Macross 2 of being just a rehash of Do You Remember Love?, but Do You Remember Love? is just a rehash of the TV series with some new animation, so I don't see why that means it should automatically be hated. While the plot and characters may be a bit similar, I think the cast has enough originality to set them apart. Hibiki isn't as wishy-washy as Hikaru, Ishtar isn't as whiny as Minmay, and Silvie doesn't have nearly as many social anxieties as Misa. I thought the idea of the villians using songs as means of controlling the Zentradi was a unique idea and the character designs in Macross 2 are really well done. Even if the characters in Macross 2 are somewhat ripped-off the original Macross cast, they at least get more development in Macross 2 than any of the characters did in Do You Remember Love?, which I think is sad when both anime are about the same length. The ending may be a bit predictable but it's still a nice ending and Macross 2 has a pretty good soundtrack, too. |
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Boomer
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Although I'm not crazy about the movie, I prefer it to the series, which is episodic and amounts to much less than the sum of its parts. Also, Faye isn't nearly as annoying in the movie as she is in the series. |
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Iemander
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I like Faye!
why? Well because she is *******. (Just had to joke about that) |
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remember love
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Exactly the reason I hate it. Through out every saga they are training which takes like 15 episodes of just watching them trying to get stronger, boring, then when they do get to the good fighting that takes even longer and through out the fighting they stop and talk and talk and talk then back to fighting and repeating this over and over again. Just way too long and not worth my time. And not only that why coldspider you say each saga is different while yeah there are slight differences they all seem to be the same as well and that is we must train and beat an enemy who somehow came out of the blue and is stronger then us when Freiza was supposedly the strongest in the Universe. Then there's the bad guys becoming friends crap, Vegeta, piccalo, and Andruid whatever #, Boo(however it's spelled), then on gt there was a guy who was extremely strong and helps out Goku to defeat a common enemy (sorry don't remember his name that's the only episode I even remember). |
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Zalis116
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I don't have a good idea of my list of over/underrated anime right now, but I'll put in a quick note for Final Fantasy: Unlimited. I think it's underrated because if you sit back and don't hold it to high Final Fantasy expectations, you get a decent (if truncated by the cancellation of the second half) action/fantasy story, with some very imaginative backgrounds and settings, though the CGI is shameless in many parts. We should also remember that it's kind of a kiddy anime (more so than most of the teenager-oriented anime that 20something American fans eagerly devour), so some of the characters and situations are naturally a bit childish. People decry the use of recycled footage for the Magun attacks, but compared to other shows, it's no worse than Sailor Moon, CardCaptor Sakura, Full Moon wo Sagashite, or Angelic Layer. Now, I'm not saying that FFU is a masterpiece or even all that good, but it doesn't really deserve the "this show is such a piece of crap" reputation that most people give it. |
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coldspider
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Oh,sort of like how (ATTN NARUTO NEWBIES - Don't read the following spoilers.You'll regret it,believe it.),spoiler[Orochimaru and the Hokage were deadlocked for 7 episodes while Sarutobi was impaled by a sword?] They kept going back and forth.Kids fighting,back to those two,Kids fighting,back to those two.By the fifth episode into that fight,I actually said to myself,"Naruto fans can NEVER complain about DBZ".Even though it was a great fight and a great arc,I thought by that time the guy should've long been dead. Also,I really don't see the point of complaining about something like that.So what if it took 5 episodes to complete the Spirit Bomb? What's 5 episodes compared to 300 episodes? If it took that long to charge the Spirit Bomb in a 26 episode series,then I'd agree with you.But honestly,when people whine about this I think they're just grasping at straws.
There's only been two instances in DBZ where the characters are primarly training with not much else is going on.When the "Z Fighters" were training to fight the Saiyans,and the training to fight the Androids after Trunks' warning.Other than that,there was ALWAYS some fighting going on while some other characters were trying to get stronger.
Well there really isn't anything that's untrue about that statement,but that's just how DBZ is.But chances are most people who've seen the series from the beginning won't mind the talking at all.Besides,you don't really notice all the talking the first time around,you're too caught up in the series. It's what I'm currently noticing in Naruto since I'm watching the dubs on Toonami.Woo boy,there's a whole lot of talking and fighting in that one too.
I guarantee the same will happen in Naruto. And I'll tell you what,never watch any TV series,movie,or anime again if it involves saving the day/world,or stopping some great evil because you're essentially watching the same thing over and over again.There's only 2 more main villains after Frieza,and DBZ gets dumped on? And people say it's just more of the same? The fact is that DBZ managed to a good job on putting a different spin on each saga.
Yeah,because that's NEVER happened anywhere else.  spoiler[What about Gaara,Temari,and Kankurou?]
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Mugen The Great
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Ever consider the fact that it is episodic is one of the main things that is GOOD about the series? Anyway, the Bebop movie is way overrated. It's Bebop, that's certain, and that in itself makes it better than at least 60% of every movie ever made. The animation, music, and direction are of course spectacular just like the rest of the series, but the things that make it especially good are lacking. Very little characterization, rather boring plotline, only a bit of humor. A really big disappointment. Except for the train fight. And Ed trick-or-treating. I loved those 2 scenes. |
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mydog8u2
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When an anime is about martial arts and fighting, you have to be willing to accept some repetition. Yes, DBZ is essentially the repetition of peace, a strong enemy that threatens peace, Goku and co. train, fight, return peace, new enemy, Goku and co. train again, fight again, peace again. But at the time, there was something remarkably exciting about this simplicity. We all new the pattern - it wasn't hard to grasp. We all knew that after Frieza, there was going to be another villain (cell). From this predictability, however, we found ourselves anticipating with delight. Goku was going to become even stronger than before - yes, we knew that, but it was something so darn 'cool' all the same. I don't know about everybody else, but the idea of Gohan's achievement of Super Saiyan 2 blew me away. A stronger level after another...
Indeed, DBZ can be very slow-placed, (yes, I read someone's complaint about watching five episodes just to see Goku charge up his spirit bomb). Slow. But for most people, that slowness was not boredom. It was suspense. Now, I wouldn't say that such simple, repetitive plotting will still work for most of the anime fans today. I suppose it insults our intellects. But it did work at the time, and for some, it still does. DBZ is simple, and excels at being simple. That's why it is rated so highly even today. It is not much more than a repetition of train-fight pattern, but it is enough of an ingredient to make it entertaining. In conclusion, not at all overrated. Just simple. |
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remember love
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First off cold spider, I'm not a naruto fan. So, I don't know much about it.
Because I'm assuming this is a naruto thing because alot of your items were talking about naruto....right like I said not a fan of the show so you can't use it against me. Secondly,
Not completely accurate during the Freiza saga we have to wait for Goku to get to Namek and during that time we just see him train. While, we switch back and off the gohan and the others that already are on Namek looking for Dragon Balls. So that's another time.
Trust me, I did on the first time. I skipped some of episodes because of it.
Wrong, other elements are brought in. Robotech, usage of mecha tos top aliens from taking over.There's also a love story involved with Robotech. X, stopping the destruction of the world much different then either DBZ or Robotech. Spriggan usage of an organization to stop a group of people from using an ancient discovered artifact for the use of evil. Each of these have different elements and are different in their own way to stop a greater "evil". Saying that there all essentially the same is 100% false. |
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Boomer
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As I said, I'm not terribly fond of either, but the movie at least a had compelling, well-developed story that gave the characters something to do besides act cool. The series was more hit and miss. The movie also had better animation and that female rival to Spike whose name I forget. |
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Pleroma
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No need to be hating on DBZ, its pretty fun once you turn your brain off and very watchable compared to "better" anime due to its simplicity.
Overrated: Tsubasa Chronicles. I read so many good thigs about this and was looking forward to some epic fantasy and all I got was the most bored looking anime cast I have ever seen in a barely even set up story. I may have endured Sayoran's completely uncaring demeanor and his barely interested companions. I may have even endured the obscene amount of episodes (sorry, if its not about fighting and powering up it should NOT EVER go beyond 52 episodes, preferably 13-26) but when I saw the bad guys discussing events while looking into their uber paparazzi mirror-of-seeing-everything-that-happens-except-what-matters-to-them (a plot device I though had died a decade ago) I deleted it in disgust. Underrated: Negima: Yes its vastly inferior to the manga, but it was fun to watch, had plenty of fanservice and most importantly actually gave the story somewhat of an ending instead of just going nowhere like so many other shows based on unfinished manga. Silly, but satisfying. |
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