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NEWS: Lawyer Indicates Manga in Iowa Obscenity Case are Yaoi


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yblees



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 6:42 pm Reply with quote
The Ramblin' Wreck wrote:
Sorry to burst your bubble, but trafficking in obscene materials via interstate commerce has been illegal for a long time, and will likely continue to be far into the future. I'd suggest actually reading the court ruling posted in the article.

Erm, so what about all those porn magazines that apparently get delivered "in plain covers"? Or is that not done anymore? Does that mean they fall under the "artistic value" umbrella?

Expias wrote:
This scares the hell out of me. Maybe it's just Iowa. But I have a LOT of Yaoi and something like this really makes me wonder..
Also, what happens if it's NOT just adults? What about the yaoi that have the under-aged boys at 16 years of age?

So what's the age of consent in Iowa ? Because I can think of quite a few Licenced yaoi titles that ship freely around the US and show explicit sex with 16 & 17 y olds.

soubilover3 wrote:
Why is it a taboo to draw the...(hint hint, im at school, can't spell it out but im sure you all know what im talking about...) "hair" on a man, in Japan?

Commercial taboo maybe - because it's ugly. Remember yaoi is written to appeal to women - can't have hairy legs, etc all over the place after all Wink
Actually, that statement is probably meant to apply to the particular manga in question - the hairless thing is by no means universal.


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BellosTheMighty



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 6:42 pm Reply with quote
sunflowerseed wrote:
It seems to me that 'Big Brother' knocking down doors and executing people in their houses for buying manga and anime is the next step around the corner.


Good point. I can lend you an AK-47, so how about we go shoot up the capitol building before it happens?

I'm just saying, the slope slips in both directions. In ALL directions, actually... it's like the weird reverse of that terrain that occupied the space between grandpa's childhood home and the local school- the one that was uphill both ways, you remember...?
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GATSU



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 6:44 pm Reply with quote
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He added that some of his personal collection could be considered objectionable like some of Handley's collection


Didn't know Gaiman was into yaoi, but then I'm sure he's had enough childhood cracks at his last name. [Huh, huh, he said "crack", huh huh! Razz ] Anyway, it's obviously the gay sex that's upsetting them, not the fact that it's "minors", or they'd be going after the loli stuff like the other states.

Ta-kun: Huh, huh, you said "flame", huh, huh. Anyway, if they arrested you for a copy of Tenjho Tenge, then you'd be screamin' bloody murder.

Ramblin': The problem is these states' definition of obscene is harsher than the federal definition of obscene. For example, you can get arrested in Texas for ordering sex toys in the mail.
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yblees



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 6:51 pm Reply with quote
GATSU wrote:
Ramblin': The problem is these states' definition of obscene is harsher than the federal definition of obscene. For example, you can get arrested in Texas for ordering sex toys in the mail.


LOL! no way .... That's got to be some pretty serious sex toys.
C'mon quote your sources Mister !!
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GATSU



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 6:56 pm Reply with quote
Actually, it was illegal until a few months ago. I guess Alabama's the only one left.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 7:02 pm Reply with quote
Iowa.. doesn't surprise me.

GATSU wrote:
Actually, it was illegal until a few months ago. I guess Alabama's the only one left.


"I think the courts have finally opened their eyes and looked around, which is a miracle in the South." Laughing

now all we need is for the rest of society to open their minds
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The Xenos



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 7:06 pm Reply with quote
I think it's high time the law and government took down Coppertone for their blatant child pornography.



On the homosexuality side of the case, this new comes right after the much bigger issue of the legality gay marriage being repealed via a ballot proposition vote.
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N15PCA



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 7:26 pm Reply with quote
Don't the police in Iowa have better things to do with their time.

I own the DVD to Immoral Sisters 2. Are they coming after people like me next and places like Suncoast were I bought the DVD.
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Merina



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 7:30 pm Reply with quote
Whoo, glad that was cleared up, but what will happen if they find the rest of yaoi offensive? My collection is very small, but what will happen if other people find it offensive and want to ban it? Then they could ban anything! Or worse, send people to jail because of it! Now that'll be the day.... Sad I Just know if they do pass some phony law like that im gabbing my books and running!
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Merina



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 7:31 pm Reply with quote
N15PCA wrote:
Don't the police in Iowa have better things to do with their time.

I own the DVD to Immoral Sisters 2. Are they coming after people like me next and places like Suncoast were I bought the DVD.




Wait...why would they come after you? That dosent make any since!
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Yuki_Kun45
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 7:52 pm Reply with quote
It is stupid indeed. I certainly don't like yaoi (though I will admit I have a mild affinity to yuri) but these are animated and drawn images and NOT real life children. It may be distasteful and heck it still may be porn but to be arrested and likely serve up to 20 years?! I could beat my child to death and be given a slap on the wrist. We should protect the children yes, but the REAL children from REAL pedos.
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Carl Horn



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 7:56 pm Reply with quote
If you don't think anyone should sent to prison over drawings in a manga--if you're concerned about the precedent that would set--don't just voice your concern, don't just hope for a good outcome to happen--like Neil Gaiman, do something positive, get involved, and contribute to the defense, even if it's just a small amount: cbldf.org.
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Siegel Clyne



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 8:04 pm Reply with quote
Where do the Democratic-controlled Congress and President-elect Barack Obama stand on the issue?

Have they taken or will they take a stand on the issue?

Anyone asked them?


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N15PCA



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 8:19 pm Reply with quote
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Wait...why would they come after you? That dosent make any since!



If they can go after you for getting hentai type stuff though the mail, then what’s stopping them from going to Suncoast type store and going after the manger for selling hentai DVD and me if I was buying a DVD when it happen.


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Navak



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 8:19 pm Reply with quote
District Court = Federal.

Protect Act of 2003 = Federal.

The only way Iowa comes into play, is for drawing the jury/community within which he is allegedly violating those federal issues.

Iowa's age of consent rules, which were among the lowest in the nation until the past 5-10 years, isn't an issue either.
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