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GAME: Dragon's Crown

The video game industry is about the last one you can defend with "but what about the artistic integrity?! Don't bind the creator's ability to express the vision they want!"

so all gaming artist or story creators should just conform in order to please ever-body that disagrees with them?? All game creators should just create a standard art style or way of telling a narrative that will please everybody??

Cecilthedarkknight_234 wrote:

so all gaming artist or story creators should just conform in order to please ever-body that disagrees with them?? All game creators should just create a standard art style or way of telling a narrative that will please everybody??

creators should do whatever the hell they want and the public should respond however the hell they want and you should chill the hell out and not get mad about people getting mad about anime titties.

what is the worst case scenario in your head? a titty shortage in mainstream entertainment? having to go places other than PSN or Steam to find products that cater to your tastes? creators you like not having access to big money distribution channels and development resources? what an unthinkable nightmare!

that minority should not effect everyone else.

I just draw a line when people want every game being made now to cater to everyone because it offends you.

Companies already do this, though. This is why Tomb Raider was turned into a shooter in the first place. Shooters are the big genre in western video game industry right now. More games and genres are being retooled to be shooters because that is what moves those millions of copies, at least in theory. Yes, quite a few don't reach that mark, but that is why games are constantly being retooled and they throw out elements they find prevents these from happening. One of these is female protagonists.

Companies do not do this blind, they have focus groups and market testers doing research for them and this is hardly throwing darts at a wall and selecting random characteristics in a game. This is why Elizibeth is absent from the cover of Bioshock Infinite and we are treated to a generic shot of Booker, it was what resonated with the average buyer the most.

HitokiriShadow wrote:

The video game industry is about the last one you can defend with "but what about the artistic integrity?! Don't bind the creator's ability to express the vision they want!"

so all gaming artist or story creators should just conform in order to please ever-body that disagrees with them?? All game creators should just create a standard art style or way of telling a narrative that will please everybody??

I just wanna take a moment here and thank all the whiners and complainers. Without your weird, pathological inability to tolerate people liking things you don't like this game simply would have pleased a small group of people and then passed into obscurity. But, thanks to the giant shit storm you created, it got a massive bump in popularity. And even though you tried your darnedest to make it bad publicity in regards to the game, it only resulted in a torrent of people rushing out and buying the product. A second game is by no means guaranteed of course. But it's looking a whole heck of a lot more plausible now. And it's all thanks to you guys. And for that I say, thank you. Thank you and flame on my crazy little friends~ >_>

But it's time to get real: Breasts are a lot more than just sexy; they can be a serious health risk. They can be a liability in athletics, or just a factor in whether a shirt fits or not. And, they can be really, really annoying.

It seems that games writer Jenn Frank was thinking of that latter reason when she tweeted earlier this week (July 30) that "I'm gonna make a game called "Final Reality," and it's gonna be about how I just accidentally smeared tons of deodorant all over my left [breast]."

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The purpose of "Boob Jam," as the challenge is titled, is to have videogame developers and creators make a videogame that deals with an aspect of female breasts other than the fact that they're sexy and fun to look at.

Within the next 24 hours, Frank had received such an overwhelmingly positive reaction, including many suggestions for games or game features, that she and several friends realized there was something to the idea.

And in the few days since the game design "Boob Jam" first sprouted, the concept has been developing quickly.

Please explain (in 300 words or less) how "the men are just as bad as the women!"

When this:



Is the Dwarf's stun animation.

And this:



Is the Sorceress's.

The issue or conflict comes from the attempted interference in trying to change other people based on personal norms--or heckling for social change.

Anyone is free to pick it up or ignore it. It's already a niche segment. No one is even bothering you and its purpose is purely for its own market. So why do people keep focusing on getting someone's goals changed, to shape an entire market segment towards their own social views?

I suppose most don't care, but in general, any change or outcome that is achieved purely from social crusading or engineering will always be disingenuous too (being forced to pander to the majority or some group; instead of having desires and intentions align with a market segment)

Any push is going to be met with resistance. Of course, one way to overcome it is with government force and way too many people often desire that. Yeah, I know some here would not go that far and I commend you at least for that restraint, but others here and elsewhere don't mind.

But since you're not going to change Kamitani and will meet resistance from supporters, why instead of trying to interfere, simply ignore and focus on your own segment either in creation or support of its market?

Can you explain why the one image means something different to you than the other?

Actually objectifying yourself by cosplaying is a fairly large thing to write off as glossing over, especially when it is the main issue at focus in these topics. It'd be a bit hypocritical, at the very least.

Tomb Raider was also considered flop so it's not really an example of a female protagonist success, nor even if you consider it a success does it live up to other franchises in the same genre. One shooter which sells 3 million does not overshadow dozens of other shooters that sell over 10 million. 3.5 million is not a number to brag about in the very competitive genre that is the shooter. It is especially bad when you realize Tomb Raider is a long established franchise that has built up loyal fans over the years and even then Tomb Raider 2013 has failed to live up to past Tomb Raider sales.

And what kind of game is Sims 2? Life simulation. These are not the games that always get brought into these discussions, it's always action based games aimed at men. People are presuming a majority of women would buy Dragon's Crown and other games aimed at men if only the women were not sexualized, but that is a baseless presumption with zero evidence. If we assert Sims 2 is what women like to play, and indeed a lot of marketing suggests it is aimed at women, why must other genres restrict or alter themselves to appeal to a demographic that has no guarantee a sizable amount of women want to play? Comparing The Sims to Dragon's Crown makes little sense in the grand scheme of things.