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TrailOfDead
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followed in the next breath by "of course they're going to make what sells!"
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Cecilthedarkknight_234
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so all gaming artist or story creators should just conform in order to please ever-body that disagrees with them?? All game creators should just create a standard art style or way of telling a narrative that will please everybody?? |
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TrailOfDead
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creators should do whatever the hell they want and the public should respond however the hell they want and you should chill the hell out and not get mad about people getting mad about anime titties. what is the worst case scenario in your head? a titty shortage in mainstream entertainment? having to go places other than PSN or Steam to find products that cater to your tastes? creators you like not having access to big money distribution channels and development resources? what an unthinkable nightmare! |
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Cecilthedarkknight_234
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dude I was just asking a simple question your the one that needs to calm down. I agree the public has a right to be offended by something however that minority should not effect everyone else. I don't care if the game has tits, ripping heads off or gay/bisexual relationships. I just draw a line when people want every game being made now to cater to everyone because it offends them. I don't even play call of duty anymore and do you want to know why?? It had to do with the terrorist mission in MW2 main story line and that deeply offended the hell out of me, so I've never touch the series since. Last edited by Cecilthedarkknight_234 on Wed Aug 07, 2013 11:30 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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TrailOfDead
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hmm hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
what people are those? |
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ikillchicken
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Well...if that's truly what you believe I guess that's at least a consistent position. If the industry can only afford to make CoD clone FPS games...well that's certainly a pretty grim situation but that doesn't mean it isn't the case. You do realize we're talking about Dragon's Crown though right? I mean, it's about as far from a generic FPS as you can get and its sure as heck not gonna sell 10 million copies. If it can exist then there is simply no justification for saying games with female protagonists can't either.
It pretty much is actually. Although at least a dart board would be random and have a chance of being right. Focus groups are one of the most biased, presumption reaffirming, flawed methods of "research" out there. |
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HitokiriShadow
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Nope, not what I said at all. |
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Crispy45
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I just wanna take a moment here and thank all the whiners and complainers. Without your weird, pathological inability to tolerate people liking things you don't like this game simply would have pleased a small group of people and then passed into obscurity. But, thanks to the giant shit storm you created, it got a massive bump in popularity. And even though you tried your darnedest to make it bad publicity in regards to the game, it only resulted in a torrent of people rushing out and buying the product. A second game is by no means guaranteed of course. But it's looking a whole heck of a lot more plausible now. And it's all thanks to you guys. And for that I say, thank you. Thank you and flame on my crazy little friends~ >_>
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Fencedude5609
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Its almost like you have no idea what this discussion is actually about.
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ikillchicken
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Well played. Although to clarify, I don't actually hate Dragon's Crown or anything like that and I'm by no means rooting for it to fail. In fact, I'm probably gonna buy it myself. It's fine to like something and still criticize it's problematic aspects. I wish more people understood that. |
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configspace
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There are two types of criticisms: one, intra-comparative, within the universe of the media and its objectives, where you can form some rational judgement, even if it is subjective; the other, extra-comparative, where judgement is based on something outside its universe, almost always based on personally normative (social or political) views.
This is not, "the gameplay sucks" or "there are gaps in the story and it makes no sense". All of the hate is coming from the later extra-comparative type. Now, it's not a problem when someone just states they don't like it and find it offensive. Fine. But they can't leave it at "don't like it, don't buy it". The issue or conflict comes from the attempted interference in trying to change other people based on personal norms--or heckling for social change. Anyone is free to pick it up or ignore it. It's already a niche segment. No one is even bothering you and its purpose is purely for its own market. So why do people keep focusing on getting someone's goals changed, to shape an entire market segment towards their own social views? I suppose most don't care, but in general, any change or outcome that is achieved purely from social crusading or engineering will always be disingenuous too (being forced to pander to the majority or some group; instead of having desires and intentions align with a market segment) Any push is going to be met with resistance. Of course, one way to overcome it is with government force and way too many people often desire that. Yeah, I know some here would not go that far and I commend you at least for that restraint, but others here and elsewhere don't mind. But since you're not going to change Kamitani and will meet resistance from supporters, why instead of trying to interfere, simply ignore and focus on your own segment either in creation or support of its market? One very recent example: http://www.tomsguide.com/us/boob-jam-lightning-returns-game-jam,review-1825.html
There you go, an alternative in direct reaction to "teh boobs" you can support instead |
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kakitamike
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Can you explain why the one image means something different to you than the other? |
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TrailOfDead
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if someone feels that a product reinforces harmful attitudes that are already prevalent in society, why not try to weaken its place in the market? are you opposed to boycotts in general? if so, that's extra dumb, but at least it's consistently dumb i guess
nobody is trying to stop George Kamitani from making or releasing Dragon's Crown. people might be trying to make the video game market less friendly to his product in the long run, but... so what? consumers are allowed to talk about products however they want. creators are not owed a market segment.
name two.
what about doing both? why do you insist that people stop saying stuff you don't like about stuff you do like? maybe it is you who are actually the censorship nazi here! |
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Zac
ANN Executive Editor
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BEEP BOOP EXPLAIN THIS TO ME HU-MAN |
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spankminister
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So some people cosplay because they're excited about the characters in the shows they love. I think it's a little harsh to look at how the scales tip in terms of revealing male costumes vs. revealing female costumes in anime/video games and telling anyone who's uncomfortable about it, "Well then, don't cosplay, HYPOCRITE."
For reference, Tomb Raider Legend was considered a commercial success at 4.5 million, but it also came out on Xbox 1+360, PS2, PS3, PC, DS, Gamecube, etc. It's certainly up from Tomb Raider Underworld's 2.5 mil. Second, it's a little disingenuous to call Tomb Raider part of the competitive "shooter" genre simply because of a third person camera and the fact that you can shoot. Uncharted, Splinter Cell, and Gears of War are not all in the same genre, and you know it. The idea that an action puzzle platformer has to directly compete for the exact same audience as Gears of War is ridiculous, as were the sales expectations of Square Enix in the first place.
You assert that action games aimed at men sell well with men, and then that life simulation games aimed at women sell well with women, yet cannot fathom that an action game aimed at both men and women would sell well with both demographics. No, no genre has to "restrict or alter itself to appeal to a [new] demographic." But it does if you want to make more money by getting more sales. Otherwise, stop bringing up the fact that "money talks." Marketing is not the art of getting someone to do something they were going to do anyway, it is encouraging people to do something they might not have done. You call it a "baseless presumption" that more women might buy action games if they alienated their demographic less. Is it not also a baseless presumption to think that men inherently want to play action games and women inherently want life simulations? |
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