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Takehiko Inoue plagiarism?

milcor1 wrote:

Of course he didn't put a piece of paper over the image. I think that would be even less effective than looking at it and copying it because he knows his human anatomy etc, he wouldn't need to do that. What I'm saying is that even though he might be trying to reference a position there is no need for the characters to be facing the same way as the source pic. What do you mean there's not a whole lot of BBall in Japan? High schools play basketball, there are playground hoops in Japan, cable networks that show the NBA, etc etc. If you've read Real, you know that basketball is alive and well in Japan, and he created that manga too. There being not a whole lot of basketball in Japan is totally preposterous.

Takehiko said in the slam dunk manga, that basketball wasn't popular in japan during the time he created Slam Dunk. Also you won't find professional bball teams or college bball like we have here in the U.S, that's why BBALL isn't as big in japan as it is here in the U.S. Also in on Takehiko's site, there was a special event that promote bball. Sure there was basketball at high school (I'm not even sure if the student know how to play it well) and nba on "cable" tv, but unless you have actual poses to use as reference, you're not gonna make a good bball manga. Imagine yourself trying to draw a kendo manga. Sure they might offer Kendo at your high school or you can watch japanese kendo tournament on "cable" if you have it, but I'm sure you want to see some picture as reference to make authentic kendo manga.

The thing is...it really doesn't matter if it's plagiarism or reference.

The law goes against his work and he's got the law to deal with soon...which really sux for him.

Ugh, but even if it might be harder to create a basketball manga without still references, it doesn't mean the panel has to look almost EXACTLY the same as the source. There are hockey mangas out there, american football mangas out there, sports that are even less known than basketball in Japan. Are you going to say that they probably have had to use still references as well and thus also have made almost exact same duplicates? Then maybe all sports mangas in Japan are plagiarized! Because God knows an artist doesn't know how to draw even if he's seen the fundamentals of the sport. But seriously, there is no need for Takehiko Sensei to have had to make his drawings almost the exact same as his source.

mugengaia wrote:

The thing is...it really doesn't matter if it's plagiarism or reference. The law goes against his work and he's got the law to deal with soon...which really sux for him.

Wait, what law are you talking about? There's a law that said you can't copy a pose from a picture?

Ai Yazawa

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milcor1 wrote:

Ugh, but even if it might be harder to create a basketball manga without still references, it doesn't mean the panel has to look almost EXACTLY the same as the source. There are hockey mangas out there, american football mangas out there, sports that are even less known than basketball in Japan. Are you going to say that they probably have had to use still references as well and thus also have made almost exact same duplicates? Then maybe all sports mangas in Japan are plagiarized! Because God knows an artist doesn't know how to draw even if he's seen the fundamentals of the sport. But seriously, there is no need for Takehiko Sensei to have had to make his drawings almost the exact same as his source.

LOL , thans for blowing things out of proportion, because I said Inoue use the post as reference, not all sport manga copy panal for panal. Also are you sure all the basketball scene in Slam dunk are model off picture or just a handful of them?

Well let just say that eyeshield isn't an accurate portray of the football here it the states. The model itself rely more on cartoon than realism. Sure eyeshield is about football, but like NBA street for the PS2 it's more on the cartoony side.

mugengaia wrote:

The thing is...it really doesn't matter if it's plagiarism or reference. The law goes against his work and he's got the law to deal with soon...which really sux for him.

Wait, what law are you talking about? There's a law that said you can't copy a pose from a picture?

Ai Yazawa

Swipe of the week has tons of stuff too from comic artist.

milcor1 wrote:

Ugh, but even if it might be harder to create a basketball manga without still references, it doesn't mean the panel has to look almost EXACTLY the same as the source. There are hockey mangas out there, american football mangas out there, sports that are even less known than basketball in Japan. Are you going to say that they probably have had to use still references as well and thus also have made almost exact same duplicates? Then maybe all sports mangas in Japan are plagiarized! Because God knows an artist doesn't know how to draw even if he's seen the fundamentals of the sport. But seriously, there is no need for Takehiko Sensei to have had to make his drawings almost the exact same as his source.

LOL , thans for blowing things out of proportion, because I said Inoue use the post as reference, not all sport manga copy panal for panal. Also are you sure all the basketball scene in Slam dunk are model off picture or just a handful of them?

Well let just say that eyeshield isn't an accurate portray of the football here it the states. The model itself rely more on cartoon than realism. Sure eyeshield is about football, but like NBA street for the PS2 it's more on the cartoony side.

darkhunter wrote:

mugengaia wrote: The thing is...it really doesn't matter if it's plagiarism or reference. The law goes against his work and he's got the law to deal with soon...which really sux for him. Wait, what law are you talking about? There's a law that said you can't copy a pose from a picture? Ai Yazawa Swipe of the week has tons of stuff too from comic artist. milcor1 wrote: Ugh, but even if it might be harder to create a basketball manga without still references, it doesn't mean the panel has to look almost EXACTLY the same as the source. There are hockey mangas out there, american football mangas out there, sports that are even less known than basketball in Japan. Are you going to say that they probably have had to use still references as well and thus also have made almost exact same duplicates? Then maybe all sports mangas in Japan are plagiarized! Because God knows an artist doesn't know how to draw even if he's seen the fundamentals of the sport. But seriously, there is no need for Takehiko Sensei to have had to make his drawings almost the exact same as his source. LOL , thans for blowing things out of proportion, because I said Inoue use the post as reference, not all sport manga copy panal for panal. Also are you sure all the basketball scene in Slam dunk are model off picture or just a handful of them? Well let just say that eyeshield isn't an accurate portray of the football here it the states. The model itself rely more on cartoon than realism. Sure eyeshield is about football, but like NBA street for the PS2 it's more on the cartoony side.

Yes there is a law.

You can't distribute or sell and make profit from copying images from other people work without their consent.

You do know this is what plagiarism stands for in the court.

It's like you copying the NBA playoffs from 1993 in VHS, and selling a ton of them to people and making money, when you don't have the NBA's consent.

Thats what a copyright law is man.

Are you not getting the picture?

He sold millions of copies of Slam Dunk. He's done it without the consent of those each and individual photographers.

You know as ridiculous as it may sound to you. It's exactly like gold-diggers taking money after divorce, if you're stupid enough not to get a maritial whatever it's called.

If any of those original photographers decides to sue Takehiko Inoue.

He may have to pay thousands in fines, or even certain percentage of all sales shueisha made.

mugengaia wrote:

darkhunter wrote: mugengaia wrote: The thing is...it really doesn't matter if it's plagiarism or reference. The law goes against his work and he's got the law to deal with soon...which really sux for him. Wait, what law are you talking about? There's a law that said you can't copy a pose from a picture? Ai Yazawa Swipe of the week has tons of stuff too from comic artist. milcor1 wrote: Ugh, but even if it might be harder to create a basketball manga without still references, it doesn't mean the panel has to look almost EXACTLY the same as the source. There are hockey mangas out there, american football mangas out there, sports that are even less known than basketball in Japan. Are you going to say that they probably have had to use still references as well and thus also have made almost exact same duplicates? Then maybe all sports mangas in Japan are plagiarized! Because God knows an artist doesn't know how to draw even if he's seen the fundamentals of the sport. But seriously, there is no need for Takehiko Sensei to have had to make his drawings almost the exact same as his source. LOL , thans for blowing things out of proportion, because I said Inoue use the post as reference, not all sport manga copy panal for panal. Also are you sure all the basketball scene in Slam dunk are model off picture or just a handful of them? Well let just say that eyeshield isn't an accurate portray of the football here it the states. The model itself rely more on cartoon than realism. Sure eyeshield is about football, but like NBA street for the PS2 it's more on the cartoony side. Yes there is a law. You can't distribute or sell and make profit from copying images from other people work without their consent. You do know this is what plagiarism stands for in the court. It's like you copying the NBA playoffs from 1993 in VHS, and selling a ton of them to people and making money, when you don't have the NBA's consent. Thats what a copyright law is man. Are you not getting the picture? He sold millions of copies of Slam Dunk. He's done it without the consent of those each and individual photographers. You know as ridiculous as it may sound to you. It's exactly like gold-diggers taking money after divorce, if you're stupid enough not to get a maritial whatever it's called. If any of those original photographers decides to sue Takehiko Inoue. He may have to pay thousands in fines, or even certain percentage of all sales shueisha made.

Except he's not using the actual image/property and using the pose. I don't know if you can copyright a pose. It might be plagerism but I don't know if it will stand in court, simply because it can pass as reference.

Another thing...if his manga didn't even sell all this wouldn't even take place.

It's because he's made so much money, and that's why all them people are making such a hysteria.

I couldn't really care about the Legal issues.

What I'm more concerned is, as an artist, a manga artist. He has dissappointed many who looked upon him as influence. Add to that all his reputation of getting such great composition and realism in his work are debatable now.

I can draw exactly like Takehiko Inoue, Satoshi Shiki, or Yang Gul-Il.

But it doesn't matter if I can draw like them. That's not original.

What makes manga so special is even if they may look the same from distance.

You look at each artist's work and they look alittle different with many styles.

If you still don't get it. Look at it this way. It doesn't matter if Bball wasn't big at the time in Japan.

All the other artists' believed that Takehiko Inoue from his ingenious mind drew all the different composures of characters in movement and etc.

Making a referece by relying the physics and body structure is totally different from copying the exact motion in art.

I don't know if you've taken art at higher or competitive level. But It doesn't matter how well you draw. If you don't have originality and creativity, you won't survive in this field.