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Blood-
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@ Palprince - I agree that Japan as a nation is not tempermentally suited for liberal immigration policies. You can celebrate or deplore that stance, but it is reality. However, I perceive an overblown reaction on your part to the situation in Europe. This is a continent that did its best to destroy itself in two of the most destructive wars in human history. If it survived that, I'm sure it will be able to handle those pesky Muslims just fine. The problems some of the countries like the UK, France and Belgium are experiencing on that front are a legacy of their bloody colonial past and current day racism.
The only reason immigration can't work in Japan is the current mindset of its people. If that ever changes, there would be no impediment to successfully increasing immigration. |
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Aphasial
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At the risk of sounding trite, that's not an option at a societal level. It's either 2.1 children per woman or the society goes under. Period. Math doesn't lie. Sure, total pop. may reduce from time to time, but *eventually* it has to stabilize at that. If you don't want kids and you happen to live in a time when a healthy population correction/contraction was occurring then yay for you, but -- generally speaking -- that's not something society can tolerate above a certain scale. In contrast to others in this thread, I do think Japan can find a way to survive, and a way that doesn't involve *massive* immigration (which is destabilizing to any society, but especially a strongly homogenous one) or invading China. But it needs to escalate efforts soon. It's not like the Japanese government (even pre-Abe) hasn't recognized the issue coming down the pike and tried various things... it just needs to ramp up efforts ASAP. |
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Jonny Mendes
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Yes there are racism, and that is just deplorable, but there are other side of the story. Many emigrants, especially Muslin communities just isolate themselves. They don't even try to integrate in European society and culture. The problem is even bigger with the second generation. They feel that they are alien to European society and hate their countries. And don't forget one thing. The resistance to Muslim immigrants have deeper roots that colonial past. Many countries, mostly on the Balkan peninsula and also southern countries like Spain and Portugal were invaded by Muslim countries in the past. And like some posts said Japan don't really need immigration. Less workforce can be substitute by technology. Japan are in the forefront in robotics and are also in the forefront in studying automatic drive for public transportation. The population decline is something that is happening in developed countries. All countries that achieve a degree of development will have a population decline. Is only faster in Japan. Soon or latter it will stabilize. The real challenge for Japan is the concept of family and marriage. Japanese man have to accept that many Japanese woman are different from the past. They are more independent and more assertive. They want to work as much as man want to work. And Japanese woman also can't expect that only marry when the perfect man appear. Now still are 1/3 of Japanese woman that all they want is marry to a good man that will sustain them and they became housewives. |
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Mohawk52
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Like I said earlier the Japanese have realised they are not raising enough young to sustain their economy let alone the 2020 Olympics so are now actively inviting people from China, South Korea, Tiawan, Australial, New Zealand, Indoneasia, Mylasia, and yes basically anyone from anywhere as working tourists, or people what not just visit for a week or two, but 3 to 6 months granted by a short term working visa. Once that runs out they go back to whinst they came, or have the opportunity to apply for permanant residence, but they must pass the very tough and stringent citizen test including reading and writing coherant Japanese and having a sucessful job offer by a company, corporation, school, or university as a teacher, or staff. In short they're getting more tolerant of foriegn immigrants as long as they at least live and act Japanese. Last edited by Mohawk52 on Tue Oct 18, 2016 1:31 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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Dextres
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@FloozyGod, Vaisaga, & Mohawk52:
Like falling in "love" with your rapist on a train from un-consent sexual acts. Then promising to spend the rest of your life with them, no family or school to making them happy. That rape fantasy. |
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Kikaioh
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Suuure, "mongrels" like me, being of heavily mixed ethnic and cultural descent, as well as having lived in different parts of the world, why that's gotta' be "multicultural cool-aid".  No way that there could be anything remotely positive about different peoples coming together and sharing in each others culture. 
The truth is, whether Japan likes it or not, their culture is going to change. This is true for pretty much any culture anywhere in the world. That's not to say Japan's change needs to happen via multiculturalism, since I was just speaking in support of it in a more general sense. But regardless of how that change happens, in order for Japan to survive as a nation, they'll need to make some adjustments. |
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Tomchic420
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Everyone's comments has grimly reminded me of how moronic the human race has been over the years.
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Dextres
Posts: 428 Location: Decatur, GA |
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Ain't it beautiful.
We all one big FLAWED, human race indeed LMFAO! |
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Mohawk52
Posts: 8202 Location: England, UK |
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Hazinger Zeta
Posts: 53 Location: New York |
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I also live in New York (Staten Island, currently), and are just here to tell you that you are at least partially full of crap. Yes, different groups do have their own communities, but there's a lot more mixed company than in a lot of places (socially and employment wise), and most importantly, everyone gets along. Those two points are particularly evident, for one, to anybody who takes any sort of public transportation. |
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Errinundra
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I live in Melbourne, Australia. Of a population of about 4½ million, some 36.7% were born overseas. It has largest Greek population outside of Europe and Nguyen is the second most common name after Smith. The Economist Intelligence Unit has rated Melbourne the world's most liveable city for six years running.
Yeah, I'm guilty as well, but this thread is veering off topic. The discussion is interesting, though. Be careful not to be racist or abusive of other views. |
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Mohawk52
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I live in Brexit. And Brexit means Brexit. Erm, whatever that means.
 Anyway everyone can come to Brexit, because it's cheat, however we who live in Brexit can not leave because it's too expensive now. Brass is hardly worth picking up off the pavement.
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Polycell
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The immigration argument reminds me of why I quit my last job: on my last day, the call center director told us to claim we were having system issues whenever there was a queue at all; this inflated the call stats, but by any real measure customer service went through the floor.
The same thing goes for immigration: you get the numbers up, but is what's there still Japan? When people immigrate, they bring their culture with them; what degree they assimilate depends on the compatibility of the two cultures and the effort put into making it work. Of course, the people usually demanding multiculturalism really mean they want mass importation of third worlders whose cultures they don't actually understand. As for child-rearing, culture is pretty powerful. What needs to be done to convince the Japanese into having more children is far beyond simple funding. (And as icky as it sounds, taking a page from the Nazis or the Fascists on their propaganda is perfectly acceptable if it's applicable) |
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MrFox123
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Where'd you get this number? 
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Blood-
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Yeah, no. The isolation of some Muslim communities in Europe didn't happen in a vaccuum. The feeling of alienation that SOME second generation Muslims have didn't happen in a vaccuum. Muslims are made to feel like second class citizens. It's no accident that Canada (and the U.S. for that matter) does not have the same difficulties with our Muslim populations that former colonial powers like the UK, France and Belgium do. But back ontopic: Japan's wimmins need studs! |
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