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darkchibi07



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 9:15 pm Reply with quote
This is so...beautiful!!! Crying or Very sad
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grooven



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 10:19 pm Reply with quote
wow i had not seen this one before thanks for sharing ^-^ Those of you who are new to Touhou check out Sound Holic's animated versions or Kinema Kan.
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Juhachi



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 2:27 am Reply with quote
I know having a Touhou anime made would be a complete sell out and total fanservice, but stuff like this really makes me want to see an official anime made someday.
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Rednal



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 7:57 am Reply with quote
I approve of more Touhou-related material here. *Stamps*
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darkchibi07



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 8:20 am Reply with quote
Juhachi wrote:
I know having a Touhou anime made would be a complete sell out and total fanservice, but stuff like this really makes me want to see an official anime made someday.


KyoAni doing a Touhou anime TV series! It would DESTROY all previous DVD/BD TV anime sales even from other previous companies!

I can dream, right? Sad
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John Casey



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 8:30 am Reply with quote
I'll never understand the Touhou fan community.

Never have I seen a fanbase more dedicated to a brand/name so bland and so utterly ordinary.
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Reaper gI



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 10:12 am Reply with quote
darkchibi07 wrote:

KyoAni doing a Touhou anime TV series! It would DESTROY all previous DVD/BD TV anime sales even from other previous companies!

I can dream, right? Sad

It would likely destroy the series as well, which is why ZUN objects so much. People tend to favour anime or film adatations over the original work, especialy for adaptaions from writen works* like touhou.
Suppose Silent Sinner in Blue(manga) /Cage in Lunatic Runagate (novel) might be adaptable, mostly because it's illustrated fully, and has extra fluff if needed.
Series chronology is mostly quite messy trying to adapt a longer chunk will end up with problems.




John Casey wrote:
I'll never understand the Touhou fan community.

Never have I seen a fanbase more dedicated to a brand/name so bland and so utterly ordinary.

Generic, yes. Ordinary, no.
Find me another vertical bullet hell shooter that's this easy and that focuses on drawing prety patterns over difficulty.

It's mostly known for the BGM (there's more official music CDs than games) and characters, some of which are fairly original.


*The series plot wise is mostly books (or text from game manuals/ CD booklets); what we know about most characters is from Perfect Memento in Strict Sense and Curiosities of Lotus Asia.
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John Casey



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 10:24 am Reply with quote
:/ It's...a bullet hell shooter. That's just like...pretty much every other bullet hell shooter than came before it. In which case, it spawned even more bland bullet hell shooters...

I mean, dude...if you want pretty patterns, just turn on the ambiance in your Windows Media Player... If you want good music, there's Pink Floyd's The Wall. If you want interesting, original characters...you can pretty much get them anywhere else.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 11:16 am Reply with quote
Hmm. Well, some fans like to be entertained by dodging pretty-looking bullet patterns fired by mythical entities in the guise of pretty-looking girls, backed up by musical scores unique to each character, bland or not, engages the fan's mind and encourages him or her to imagine. And in the Touhou Project's case, this is what you get from an imaginative fanbase that is virtually legally unrestricted by copyright.
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Reaper gI



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 12:34 pm Reply with quote
John Casey wrote:
:/ It's...a bullet hell shooter. That's just like...pretty much every other bullet hell shooter than came before it. In which case, it spawned even more bland bullet hell shooters...


Erm.. Lotus Land Story came out within a year of DoDonPachi, the first bullet hell shooter. There isn't much else before it. Phantasmogoria of Dim.Dream likewise was a Twinkle Star Sprites clone a year after that came out.


You do realise Bullet hell consists mostly of things made by Cave and doujin games, right?

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I mean, dude...if you want pretty patterns, just turn on the ambiance in your Windows Media Player... If you want good music, there's Pink Floyd's The Wall. If you want interesting, original characters...you can pretty much get them anywhere else.

Can I use that music and those characters in derivative works freely, no. The fandom can be more vocal if there's no risk of getting sued.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 2:35 pm Reply with quote
John Casey wrote:
Never have I seen a fanbase more dedicated to a brand/name so bland and so utterly ordinary.


Naruto, Nura, Legend of the Legendary Heroes, Gungrave, Shuffle, really just about anything in the genres of shounen action, harem, or bishoujo game adaptation that was made in the last, oh, five or so years...if we're looking for bland and boring, we really could do so much worse.

That's not to say Touhou's some big, original, groundbreaking piece of work. It's not. To an extent, you're right, it is inoffensively commonplace and hardly unique. But not everything has to be edgy and original to be good (otherwise the anime industry as a whole would be screwed). As long as the elements are handled somewhat competently, a charming product can still be made from distilled and recycled ideas, and that's really what Touhou is. It's a charming product. It's the quaint, relaxing little aside where fans of the aforementioned edgy, original stuff go to unwind and let their hair down. It's one of the anime and Japanese gaming fandoms' favorite "turn your brain off and just have fun" properties, and for that it works exceptionally well.

Of course, the fact that it's a doujinshi property whose canon is determined as much by fan-made works as by the hand of ZUN himself doesn't hurt. It's an entire setting created by Rocky Horror-style fan participation, making it a veritable utopia for fanfiction writers, fanartists, nerdy cover bands, upstart animators & game developers, you name it. For one fleeting, niche moment, the creative works they do as tribute to their favorite intellectual property get to be recognized as being as close to canon as they'll ever get, which is bound to be a good feeling.

So yeah, Touhou won't win any awards for fresh, edge-of-your-seat originality, but that would almost work against it. It's a simple, endearing little property that provides a highly inclusive outlet for people to just have a good, possibly dumb, social, fun time.
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Running Wild





PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 5:20 pm Reply with quote
The problem with Touhou is people are obsessed with the moe factor and lolicon designs of the characters, rather than the maniac gameplay of the shmup's themselves.

I liked shmups more when it was about piloting really badass aircraft or mecha, over a bunch of prissy magical girls.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 12:44 am Reply with quote
Running Wild wrote:
The problem with Touhou is people are obsessed with the moe factor and lolicon designs of the characters, rather than the maniac gameplay of the shmup's themselves.


I wouldn't exactly say that. More than anything, it's usually the music that distracts Touhou fans from the gameplay. The vast majority of Touhou-related fan work comes in the form of music remixes and cover bands (IOSYS, Demetori, UI-70, etc.), with things like Flash animation only tangentally branching off of that as a promotional tool. And frankly, I have yet to encounter a Touhou fan that hasn't played and doesn't have considerable appreciation for the games themselves.

Sorry, but the blanket assumption that a property that makes use of typical moe tropes doesn't have fans beyond the usual lolicon pervert crowd is a little irksome to me (and on that note, if I may be an indignant fanboy for a moment, I'd like to know what qualifies such fan-favorite Touhou characters as Hong Meiling, Yukari Yakumo, and Eirin Yagokoro as "lolicon"...).
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