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stararnold
Posts: 227 Location: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada |
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The sad part is that those who accuse Hollywood of plagiarizing Anime never seem to often stop to think that maybe great minds just think alike coincidentally when it comes to working with story genres, and that copyright law doesn't dictate who owns genres and general concepts while determining who owns franchises. Plus, they need to think about the possibilty that most Hollywood films accused of plagiarizing Anime are by those who perhaps never read a Manga or watched an Anime in their lives.
If you ask me, those making these accusations are likely to be nothing but a bunch of ignorant Otaku who refuse to accept that there are Hollywood filmmakers just as creative and talented as those in Japan, whether it's animated movie making or live-action filmmaking. |
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Peroxid
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haha I lol'd at the Megaman getting owned
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Greed1914
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That's usually what I think, too. In all likelihood, neither was the very first to do something and most follow certain genre guidelines, so similarities are unavoidable. It'd be unrealistic to ask people to check every aspect of their work and make sure none of it had been done in a similar fashion by someone else. For instance, somebody pointed out a similarity in a song used in the Metal Gear Solid games to Hideo Kojima, even though the song with a bit of similarity was written decades ago in the Soviet Union. And there are lots of examples from various scientific fields where different people came up with the same conclusions at nearly the same time, so both are credited. I'm pretty sure the motivating factor that got Darwin to finally publish his findings was the fact that somebody else was going to publish their own similar findings before him. |
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penguintruth
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Come on, that happened once or twice. In fact, after the initial Bonnie and Clyde arc of GSC, I don't think we ever see that again. It does get referenced in the anime OVA, though, with some of the stuff Jonathan Washington has in his warehouse. I wonder if America is portrayed negatively in Patlabor 2. I mean, the threat there is that the Americans will come in and take control if things spiral out of control, but it was Tsuge who was manipulating things. In Blue Seed, the Prime Minister called in America to nuke Tokyo to prevent the Aragami from spreading across the world, and they were about to when the ship captain noticed the glowing from the Rite of Matsuri. On the subject of idea-stealing, I bet there's still a number of folks who think Joss Whedon ripped off Outlaw Star with Firefly, just because of the scene with River in the case. |
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Keichitsu0305
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Last time I checked Sokka and Katara had very 'tanned' skin. Thanks! |
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Fabe
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The way I see it it's no different then all the American TV shows and movies with a Foreign government as the the bad guy. Plus GitS is a series about a espionage and counter-intelligence group so of course their opposition will be from another country |
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GATSU
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star:
Tell that to Kurosawa's estate after he won a lawsuit against Sergio Leone over ripping off, er, "remaking", Yojimbo with A Fistful of Dollars.
So how do you explain Gotham Knight?
Yeah, Katzenberg really proved his stuff after the Lion King with all those crappy CG cartoons. Greed:
Um, it's totally realistic, given that you don't wanna get sued. See James Cameron having to pay off Harlan Ellison for ripping off an Outer Limits episode for Terminator. As for a "positive" portrayal of Americans in manga, wouldn't "My Darling is a Foreigner" count? |
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agila61
Posts: 3213 Location: NE Ohio |
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Well, I should hope so .. it would be an insult to Outlaw Star if it did not have something adapted by Firefly ... it would be like saying it was all derivative work with nothing original worth using. |
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Charred Knight
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Are you honestly going to compare a manga with like one lolita character to a manga where EVERY SINGLE AMERICAN is protrayed in an intensly negative light. I mean yeah New York in the 80's is a lot different than New York now but it sure as hell wasn't a hell hole where your either a rapist, a drug dealer or a moron. Yes Sonada is into lolicon but his more into lesbians, I mean do you honestly not notice that Rally isn't really into guys? In the original manga the main villains plan was to turn Rally into her lesbian sex slave. Honestly it's hard to take anything you say seriously just because you always exxagerate what you say. Gunsmith Cats isn't sexist nor is it racist so why the hell would you even compare the two based entirely on the thought process that "lolita is bad". Look I am not a loli fan and I was kind of unconfortable with the backstory of Minnie May but I am not going to start making it look like Kodomo No Jikan. |
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penguintruth
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Well, there is that volume where underage girls are in Rally's shower. And a chapter starts with a picture of Rally when she was a little girl, stark naked, her private parts hidden behind a bit gun she's holding. But it's not like there's actual sex with underage characters going on in the manga. It's all lolicon teasing.
Also, characters like Roy Colman are represented as being very fair, likable people who sort of put up with Rally's hotshot attitude. And there's various of pretty reasonable Americans in Gunsmith Cats. Rally and May aren't exactly terrible people themselves. It's not like they just gun down random people. Rally would rather not have to shoot anyone, though she does enjoy her guns. But she doesn't enjoy them in a "AMERICANS LOVE GUNS" sort of way. Her love of guns is treated as a bit extreme even by the other characters. |
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TheRoyalFamily
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I hate this so gorram much! But that's just ridiculous and nobody listens to them. What really gets me is when people suggest Outlaw Star first thing to Firefly fans. Besides the above, and the fact that they are independent operators of spaceships, the two shows have very little in common. Not to be down on OS, because it is a decent (and more importantly, fun) sci-fi show in general, but a Firefly-like show it is not. At all. A much better suggestion (and show, for that matter) would be Cowboy Bebop. They are very similar thematically, just on opposite sides of the law. But I guess CB doesn't have girls in suitcases. |
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grooven
Posts: 1426 Location: Canada |
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Oh look my favorite topic of Kimba/ Leo arrives .I am someone who is an actual fan and as seen every version of this show. I have researched everything to death for years.
In reading more I'm so glad someone has read hamlet and can actually say Lion King and Hamlet are hardly alike. Thank you. Saves me from explaining that Oh and they provided the site all good [quote="vashfanatic"]
Exactly that all we needed was Disney to fess up, but no they just shrug it off. They pretty much confessed in DVD release that has a white lion in the pre-production. |
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Rakkan
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You made the claim. Back it up with something better than gun heavy action series' set in America made for an older audience. Until then; nuh uh |
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Iritscen
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*ignores juvenile argument above him*
I'm surprised no one mentioned the Read Or Die OVA yet on the subject of portrayal of Americans in animé. Our president is a cowardly pants-wetting nuke-launching idiot, and the country as a whole is treated as a stupid bulldog on England's leash. It's actually pretty awesome. |
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vashfanatic
Posts: 3492 Location: Back stateside |
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And then in the TV series spoiler[it turns out England is evil! Because they want to restart the British Empire! For some reason! Using an old guy! Who is somehow important! But it's never explained!] Can you tell I dislike the TV series? I recently re-read Akira; my first and second time through I really was on board with the "stupid American military!" thing (remember: some of the good scientists were Americans) but on this, the third time, I sort of felt sympathetic to them. I mean, if I were faced with Tetsuo, who just spoiler[blew a hole in the bleeping moon], I might try to bomb him out of existence too, especially if I had no idea that a group of good psychics were already working on a more peaceable solution. So I suppose sometimes it's a matter of the reader's perspective. Of course, the manga series that should be the most unsympathetic to Americans, Barefoot Gen, is actually remarkably forgiving, becoming more of an anti-war series all around than an anti-American one. At least in volumes 1-3. Still need to read more... |
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