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Shay Guy
Joined: 03 Jul 2009
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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 3:41 pm
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I'm surprised they took off Urusei Yatsura. How much of it was ever available in English even way back when it was in print?
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RestLessone
Joined: 02 Aug 2009
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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 3:43 pm
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MangaFox forums are fun to read. Full of people complaining because they can't get their hands on licensed manga. Most of the series are already being released...They use these crappy excuses about censorship and whatever, to the extent where it obviously indicates they haven't been in the loop in years. Even the arguments about series being licensed due to scanlations is pretty much null because the series being taken away are already licensed.
I'm doubting any negotiations are going to work unless it's profiting the original author, publisher, and English publisher. Also, MF was willing to upload scans from actual English releases. That's just scummy.
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Shay Guy
Joined: 03 Jul 2009
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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 3:46 pm
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RestlessOne wrote: | MangaFox forums are fun to read. |
There has to be a post there somewhere saying "ANN forums are fun to read."
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Showsni
Joined: 13 May 2008
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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 3:46 pm
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DmonHiro wrote: | There's always IRC. |
Though, it's not illegal to read (a copyrighted) something somebody else has copied. It is illegal to make a copy of it yourself and save it to your computer.
If someone tries hard enough, it's nearly always going to be possible to find these scans somewhere on the internet. Going after the aggregator sites will certainly inconvenience people who are just casually into reading scans, but it can't stop someone who's determined enough.
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RestLessone
Joined: 02 Aug 2009
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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 3:49 pm
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Shay Guy wrote: |
RestlessOne wrote: | MangaFox forums are fun to read. |
There has to be a post there somewhere saying "ANN forums are fun to read." |
Hey, probably. I spend a lot of those huge discussions just lurking. Though, MF's forums have no differing opinion. It's all "I won't pay for manga! Free forever!" and "That's it, I'll never read manga again" and "MangaFox, you are the greatest thing ever and did the right thing!". Most of these people don't think about the issue objectively. At all. Or are incapable. Either way, it's easy to counter most of their complaints.
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If someone tries hard enough, it's nearly always going to be possible to find these scans somewhere on the internet. Going after the aggregator sites will certainly inconvenience people who are just casually into reading scans, but it can't stop someone who's determined enough. |
I think the publishers understand that. However, they aren't the beast they're looking for. People would be lost with aggregator sites and it's surely harder to locate a little known series without a conglomerate site. If the Shonen Jump scanlation team is killed off, then there's really only small game left.
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teh*darkness
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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 3:50 pm
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The Article wrote: | ...but a later update indicated that more titles had been removed at the behest of unofficial scanlation groups... |
I find this kinda funny. See? Even the actual scanlators don't like these sites. I'm sure this goes doubly for the ones doing smaller, unlicensed series. These aggregator sites just expose them to a much larger audience than they really want, and bring them unneeded attention. And then there are the ones who stop distributing their works once a series gets licensed. If an aggregator site hijacked your releases and has them on a server, you'd have no way to get them out of circulation. I'm hoping OM goes down in the next few weeks. I know way too many people who read scans on there and never buy anything. One of them is a co-worker and even brags about it. Makes me sad.
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GloriousMaximus
Joined: 11 Nov 2009
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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 4:14 pm
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Can't say I'm sad to see the series' removed. When a site that is basically around to upload manga illegally and is that popular on the net, something is very very wrong.
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mglittlerobin
Joined: 28 Aug 2008
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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 4:22 pm
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Thank goodness, I was getting tired of all those Mangafox ads on fanfiction.net I don't even care about OneManga, because FMA was the only one I read and now it's over, I'm buying it anyway. I'm happy I never went to Mangafox, I have enough worries with viruses, I don't want anymore.
I don't get why they would have some of these titles, and I've seen one of them in my small town library. And there's not too much manga in my library system.
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ConanSan
Joined: 13 Jun 2007
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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 4:39 pm
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Quote: | including titles licensed by other publishers and titles unlicensed in North America |
And that's when this became bullshit.
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littlegreenwolf
Joined: 10 Aug 2002
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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 4:42 pm
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Glad they're now finally listening to scanlators about removing their "projects". Nothing more annoying than being a scanlator with a livid hate for aggregator sites and then finding the stuff you worked on uploaded to a site like that, but then again that's how the internet goes.
Total freeloaders now have to "work" for their pirated goods, or they could actually... work to own the actual goods. The later would be more preferable.
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silver_deeds
Joined: 08 Jan 2010
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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 4:45 pm
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Shay Guy wrote: |
RestlessOne wrote: | MangaFox forums are fun to read. |
There has to be a post there somewhere saying "ANN forums are fun to read." |
I've yet to find any other forum that's suggested boycotting Viz at their doorstep for those living in CA. Even though they were half-joking...
Though I guess people here in the ANN forums have said other equally entertaining posts.
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Unholy_Nny
Joined: 22 Jun 2005
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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 4:46 pm
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Conan-san wrote: |
Quote: | including titles licensed by other publishers and titles unlicensed in North America |
And that's when this became bullshit. |
Not really.
Did MangaFox do those translations?
No, they didn't.
Fan translation groups tend to look down on aggregator sites, and this is the first time I've heard of them managing to get a site to take down their translations.
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agila61
Joined: 22 Feb 2009
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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 4:59 pm
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Showsni wrote: |
DmonHiro wrote: | There's always IRC. |
Though, it's not illegal to read (a copyrighted) something somebody else has copied. It is illegal to make a copy of it yourself and save it to your computer.
If someone tries hard enough, it's nearly always going to be possible to find these scans somewhere on the internet. Going after the aggregator sites will certainly inconvenience people who are just casually into reading scans, but it can't stop someone who's determined enough. |
And since its not a religious crusade, but taking action to protect the market, the main thing is to prevent the brazen piracy that the predatory scumbag manga viewer sites engage in that make the bootlegs both cheaper and easier than legit channels.
There will always be piracy, but as long as it is cheaper but harder, the most valuable parts of the market for generating income for the artists will just buy it, whether via subscription, digital download, or order (conventional press or Print on Demand) of a paper copy.
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Sheleigha
Joined: 09 May 2008
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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:05 pm
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Just reading the forums, and people can be kind of lazy "oh noez! Gotta buy them now!" There are PLENTY of places online you can buy them and if you live in a country that doesn't have any, just import! It's always an option.
Oh, and for people who say ANYTHING about not having a credit card/can't use parent's card/don't trust buying online, there is NO excuse not to buy a pre-paid Visa/MC at a store! Those things are all around and any kid can buy them.
Plus, Amazon has probably THE lowest prices of manga, plus no taxes (given for a couple states) and free shipping after $25!
Rightstuf too is great with their sales and also have free shipping in US and Canada.
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Ulinox
Joined: 22 Aug 2009
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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:11 pm
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I'd be surprised if Onemanga doesn't do something similar in the near future.
Oh well, pity the noobs who don't know how to use IRC.
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