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Crisha
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 3:54 pm
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vashfanatic wrote: | Oh Willag... I similarly hate Chrono Crusade, but I come at it from a different angle than you. I'd not read the manga until after the anime, because people told me it was better. I actually digged Chrono Crusade, including episode 7 (I had no idea how much it radically altered the entire tone of the manga).
And then there was the ending. Strong heroine gets turned into brainwashed cause of the Great Depression and WW2. World's most anticlimactic battle between the hero and the villain. And then none of it matters, because after they die, Aeon is somehow (?) still alive! Because this somehow (?) takes place in our continuity, even though I'm pretty sure history would remember if San Francisco was openly attacked by demons... But mostly I just hated how damn insulting that final scene was. Don't bother fighting evil kids, 'cause God's a dick and will make all your struggles pointless!
Long story short, I call my desire to see the ending of a series before I buy it "Chrono Crusade syndrome." |
Actually, the ending didn't bother me much... in fact, I was pleasantly surprised with a few things. By that time I realized that no matter what it was going to be sh*t-on-a-stick, so my expectations were extremely lowered and I was only watching it just to finish it. The final battle was anti-climatic, but once again I just didn't care. However, I thought the final moments of Chrno and Rosette's life were the most touching points of the series (not as good as the manga, but still). It was depressing and realistic and heartfelt, and one of the few moments in the series that I actually became a little emotionally invested. Chrno's past with Mary Magdalene SHOULD have been like that, but the Gonzo screwed that up as well. And then the rest of the series didn't matter, because all of the characters were crapped upon throughout the whole series so I really didn't care what happened to them. The world could have ended and I would have been like, "well at least the the shallow, 2-d characters were destroyed".
I think the problem is that in order for me to like the series, I have to have at least one or two characters I really like. I prefer character-driven series to plot-driven series (although the best series are the ones that have both interesting characters/character developments and a strong plot). The anime of Chrono Crusade used the characters like dirty dishrags to further the themes and plot and reduced them to annoying 2-dimensional stereotypes. Therefore, the plot could have some amazing work of genius and I still would have been pissed, because I loved the characters as they were developed in the manga.
This is also why I doubt I'd like Death Note or Code Geass and why I haven't read the manga or watched the anime of either series. By this time, I already know what both series are about and what happens so all of the intrigue is gone, and from all of the reviews I've read both series treats its characters like chess pieces on a board to manipulate.
I personally like "Place Promised". Then again, when I was watching it, I was so caught up in the visuals and emotions evoked that the plot holes were completely ignored. In fact, I don't even know if I could really explain the plot in great detail... let's see, this takes place during a time when Japan is split into north and south territories with the two sides separated by some light thing that has some sort of strange power to it; there were three childhood friends, the two boys crushed on the girl but only one fell for her hard; the girl was kidnapped by some organization because she could somehow harvest the control of the light or whatever, and she went into a coma; people grow up, stuff happens, life sucks; the boy ends up saving the girl; the end. Yup! That's about all I remember. So I guess you could obviously tell that I don't love it for the plot. Hey, if it sounds reasonable enough I could probably let most things slide by as long as you've got me caught up in the emotions and characters.
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Oriaxblade
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 4:15 pm
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Personally I loved the end of School Days. As the characters just got more an more unlikable and Makoto just became more and more of a total douchebag, I'm like "FOR F*CKS SAKE, THAT GUY NEEDS A WHOLE LOT OF KNIFE IN THE FACE" and then the ending comes and he dies a hilarious death and gets his head in a bag.
For me it was one of the most deserved endings in anime history.
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the Rancorous
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 4:21 pm
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Mr. Jarin pretty much mirrors my own view on Gurren Lagaan, except that I thought the battle scenes were one of the worst features of it. Whoever yells the loudest wins; "my mecha can be more ridiculous than your mecha!" And then they had to throw in that tiresome "humanity is evil" theme .
And yeah, Kamina was the most annoying character of the show rivaled only by 'needlessly flamboyant gay guy' (a character type that really needs to vanish or be restricted to just comedy stuff). I still have to shake my head whenever I see people going "OMG! Kamina died?! So unexpected and tragic!!!" Are you serious? How could you not have seen that coming? It was obvious from ep 2 that was going to happen.
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Sceleris
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 4:35 pm
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Hm. The answer to the Danish question wasn't really enlightening. Why they would bring in an American, English language voice actor really is strange -- Denmark is not even a dub country (i.e., foreign languaged programming and movies in cinema and on TV are subtitled). I'm not all too familiar with the Danish anime fandom, but I just can't imagine that any sort of sizable portion of the the less-than-2000 visitors of J-popcon would know who Mignogna is.
In comparison to earlier guests such as Yoshiyuki Sadamoto, Hiroyuki Yamaga, Michihiko Suwa and Nao Yazawa, I don't think that Vic Mignogna merely being a guest relating to his work in American localization of anime seems merited. Is he perchance a skilled lecturer or entertainer in topics other than localization?
An odd choice indeed...
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zawa113
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 5:34 pm
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Man, the FMA half sets, the instant those came out I was like "Cool! A cheaper way to get it, I just might" but then that little voice in the back of my mind, the one that on occasion leads me to believe I am insane, went "psh! They're probably gonna put them together and re-release them again in a year or so" and wouldn't you know it, he was right. So since then I have gotten the first two half sets for around $22 together (one was part of a "buy any new anime get FMA 1-1 for $5" at a Suncoast, other was off TRSI) and I'll debate what I'm gonna do on the second season, no rush.
So yeah, I really don't see why anyone wouldn't wait, it doesn't really support Funi quite the same, but I have a certain loyalty to my wallet too. One that is more likely to approve of purchases under $20 (for anime, under $5 for manga). It's like half the time when I'm looking at first run stuff, by the time I notice it's come out, a cheaper version of it is about to be released so I might as well wait a month or two.
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everydaygamer
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 5:34 pm
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whats the deal with Vic Mignogna? i mean it always seems to come up with dubs vs subs discussions that people either love him or hate him. i mean this is bound to happen with dub vs subs talks but why does it seem like vic is singled out from other english voice actors.
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penguintruth
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 5:46 pm
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everydaygamer wrote: | whats the deal with Vic Mignogna? i mean it always seems to come up with dubs vs subs discussions that people either love him or hate him. i mean this is bound to happen with dub vs subs talks but why does it seem like vic is singled out from other english voice actors. |
Because he's sort of Funimation's big "star".
I personally dislike his Edward Elric, but he's got a nice singing voice.
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kameoosama
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 6:22 pm
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Oriaxblade wrote: | Personally I loved the end of School Days. As the characters just got more an more unlikable and Makoto just became more and more of a total douchebag, I'm like "FOR F*CKS SAKE, THAT GUY NEEDS A WHOLE LOT OF KNIFE IN THE FACE" and then the ending comes and he dies a hilarious death and gets his head in a bag.
For me it was one of the most deserved endings in anime history. |
I always took the opposite look at the show. To me, Makoto spends the first half of the show trying to make everyone happy, and just trying to be kind and not hurt anyone's feelings too much. At the same time, He's caved into Sekai's advances, and so there really isn't a good solution that will make everyone happy. He doesn't want to tell Kotohana because he's afraid of how she'd react, and then by the time he actually gets this out he kinda comes the conclusion, "I'm not going to please anyone. Screw this, I'll do what I want." At this point, he kind of turns into a jerk, but everyone else's actions kind of feed his behavior. By the time of the finale, he's finally realizing that he needs to strike some happy medium and then Sekai gets pregnant, and he's too young to deal with it.
From this point, he's in denial, Kotohana has quite literally lost touch from reality because she's too sheltered and couldn't handle the shock. Even if Makoto suddenly grew up he was kind of in too deep, and nothing was going to save him from NICE BOAT.
The real message of the show is that these characters are still just kids, and kids can get in way over their head. Maybe I'm reading into it too much but I really identified with the three main characters as just crap I've felt like when I was in High School.
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PetrifiedJello
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 6:22 pm
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The Answerman wrote: | ...one that's been met with a lot of resistance from the Japanese side of things, where high-priced single-volume releases are still the norm. |
I've always been curious to know if the boxset releases here in the US has had any impact on licensing for series. The market has obviously ditched the singles approach and I'm quite shocked the otaku market in Japan hasn't started against the singles there.
But then again, given what's coming out is dedicated to them, probably not wise for the otaku to punch the gift horse in the mouth.
Quote: | ...because the only good that waiting will do in that case is to show Company A how unenthusiastic the fans for Show B are. |
I don't think this would be accurate. If a $40 boxset is selling 50% more units than the $80 two-part release, I'd say there is enthusiasm, but limited pocket books.
All one needs to do is review the "What did you just buy" thread and take a look at the titles being purchased. The enthusiasm's most definitely there, especially when the sale price does less damage to the wallet.
I'm always going to wait. I am still shocked people paid $30 for 4 episodes of Lucky Star when I just picked up the entire series for the same price. That's just an insane amount for a series. That's $180 freakin' dollars. No way in hell will I pay that amount for any anime series.
Oh, and FUNimation's got some titles coming out with its S.A.V.E. line which I'm definitely picking up while many still list at $50 or more.
It's my money and you can bet I'm going to get the most for it.
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kameoosama
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 6:34 pm
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PetrifiedJello wrote: |
Quote: | ...because the only good that waiting will do in that case is to show Company A how unenthusiastic the fans for Show B are. |
I don't think this would be accurate. If a $40 boxset is selling 50% more units than the $80 two-part release, I'd say there is enthusiasm, but limited pocket books.
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I think this has a lot to do with how companies often gauge interest for a product after the first week to first month of sales. It's very rare that something like a movie or game will "gain steam" as time goes on and in fact, after the initial period most titles have "shot their wad" so to speak and are quickly forgotten about. Sales can rekindle interest in a title temporarily, but often aside from a couple evergreen titles, your back-catalog sales numbers come nowhere close to your new releases.
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I'm always going to wait. I am still shocked people paid $30 for 4 episodes of Lucky Star when I just picked up the entire series for the same price. That's just an insane amount for a series. That's $180 freakin' dollars. No way in hell will I pay that amount for any anime series.
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Oh how times change. I remember when it was $20 for a dub only VHS with 2 episodes, or $30 for sub only. You'd pay well over $200 for a whole series, and the first DVD boxsets cost just as much as getting the volumes individually. But we bought them because that was basically all we had. *puts dentures back*
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Oh, and FUNimation's got some titles coming out with its S.A.V.E. line which I'm definitely picking up while many still list at $50 or more.
It's my money and you can bet I'm going to get the most for it. |
Despite everything I just said, SAVE is great, as long as they don't make the box art as garish as possible to let everyone know you bought it "cheap" and get some great shows in it (which they seem to be doing.)
Yaay for cheap anime.
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Haterater
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 8:34 pm
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Mohawk52 wrote: | Brian, you left out another good reason why some people prefer dubs over subs, and that is for medical reasons. At my age my eyes simply can't focus on the script and then watch the action at the same time. I end up doing constant pauses, and rewinds and that is just too annoying to bother, and I'm sure there are some with other visual impairments that restrict them watching subs, so it's not all simply just a choice thing. |
Agree so much. I wish more people would spread this as one of the reasons for this subject. Its like the thought never crosses their minds till either someone else brings it up or they will have the experience sooner or later.
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Ojamajo LimePie
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 9:46 pm
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everydaygamer wrote: | whats the deal with Vic Mignogna? i mean it always seems to come up with dubs vs subs discussions that people either love him or hate him. i mean this is bound to happen with dub vs subs talks but why does it seem like vic is singled out from other english voice actors. |
The reason people like him is because he's a decent actor.
The reason people hate him is because he's a vitriolic homophobe who insists that all the characters he voices are straight Christians (despite canon evidence saying otherwise.) He considers his performance to be only true version of the characters, superior to the Japanese originals. Oh, and he flirts with his underage fangirls. Basically, Vic is an all-around jerk.
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ljaesch
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 11:00 pm
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For the new question for Question of the Week, I have to say at this point in time, I don't feel very "connected" to the fan base at large yet. It's not due to not wanting to be connected, however.
The two main reasons I'm not "connected" to the fan base are:
1) I really don't have a lot of time to interact in online anime forums, due to my schedule as a work-at-home mom. I try to interact here at the ANN forums when I can, but I'm not as active here as I'd like to be yet. Once my youngest starts full-day kindergarten this fall, then my involvement here might go up a little.
2) I don't have the opportunities yet to really get out to conventions and interact with other fans in my area. My main "in person" interactions are with a couple of younger people who go to my church who are into anime. Hopefully, as my kids get a little older, this situation can also be rectified.
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everydaygamer
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 11:42 pm
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Ojamajo LimePie wrote: |
everydaygamer wrote: | whats the deal with Vic Mignogna? i mean it always seems to come up with dubs vs subs discussions that people either love him or hate him. i mean this is bound to happen with dub vs subs talks but why does it seem like vic is singled out from other english voice actors. |
The reason people like him is because he's a decent actor.
The reason people hate him is because he's a vitriolic homophobe who insists that all the characters he voices are straight Christians (despite canon evidence saying otherwise.) He considers his performance to be only true version of the characters, superior to the Japanese originals. Oh, and he flirts with his underage fangirls. Basically, Vic is an all-around jerk. |
haha well ok then.
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Anime_Rapture
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 11:56 pm
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the Rancorous wrote: | Mr. Jarin pretty much mirrors my own view on Gurren Lagaan, except that I thought the battle scenes were one of the worst features of it. Whoever yells the loudest wins; "my mecha can be more ridiculous than your mecha!" And then they had to throw in that tiresome "humanity is evil" theme ![Rolling Eyes](/bbs/phpBB2/images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif) .
And yeah, Kamina was the most annoying character of the show rivaled only by 'needlessly flamboyant gay guy' (a character type that really needs to vanish or be restricted to just comedy stuff). I still have to shake my head whenever I see people going "OMG! Kamina died?! So unexpected and tragic!!!" Are you serious? How could you not have seen that coming? It was obvious from ep 2 that was going to happen. |
I dunno, I don't tend to do mecha anime, it's just not my thing, but I liked(liked, not loved) Gurren Lagann because I thought it didn't take itself seriously. Like everything they did felt like a rip on other mech shows. It's so ridiculous and energetic that I am a little confused on how people thought that it was taking itself seriously. That's just my point of view and it seems to be the common thing I have been hearing from the people I know who have seen it.
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