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Blueshift
Joined: 19 Nov 2008
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Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 6:46 pm
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I have noticed that each anime i watch on a weekly basis either gives me a feeling of satisfaction and content, or makes me irritated a bit for making me feel i didn't get a good 26 minutes worth of anime in.
The thing is i could technically like both about the same but some seem to satisfy more on an episode by episode basis.
An example of this is Naruto Shippuden and Bleach. I get frustrated when it takes 5 or more episodes to finish a battle in bleach, it seems like the episode ends at the most inopportune times. At the end ill will be like"im going to stop watching this arghhhh!" but i watch it anyways.
Naruto Shippuden however i feel like I get more of a full episode worth when i watch it. More time in the anime universe seems to go by in Shipudden. In Bleach it feels like they will cover 4 battles at once but it will be all four spread over multiple episodes with the first episode of the battles are about the various charaters sizing eachother up, the second episode about "hey your better than i thought". the third episode the bad guy almost wins. and the fourth episode is the good guy wins. Bleach might not follow that exact formula, but thats definately what it feels like sometimes.
Do any of you have this experience or a similar one with watching anime?
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Kelly
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Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 7:16 pm
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It sounds like your problem might be that you're not necessarily into the "tournament" or "fighting" anime of which a large part of what makes it onto North American TV consists (forgive me if you're not North American - I mean no offense). There's nothing wrong with that. It just means that you might have to do a bit more digging to find the type of anime that's for you.
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Blackpeppir
Joined: 30 Apr 2009
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Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 8:26 pm
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You may want to work on your english, the forum admins really appreciate prpoper english on the forums and have locked threads in the past for it. Looks like you made an effort but there are a few things like capitalization and what not you may want to look at. I appologize if english isn't your first language in which please ignore what I just said.
That out of the way, I've been relatively satisfied with weekly anime ever since I stopped watching tournament/fighting series. With a few exceptions most of the series I've been watching have either been relatively consistantly satisfying with their increments.
Though I'll admit that not all shounen fighting anime has to be a tedious snooze like Bleach or Naruto have proven to be. A good would be the reboot of DBZ, Dragonball Kai. They took out all of the filler and conversations that dragged out the original series and cut it down to just the material that was in the manga. The result is a series that is genuinely entertaining and actually flows rather than a series that actually flows rather than a tedious trickle that was so iconic of the original series.
There's another solution to your problem, though it requires more patience, and that would be to stop watching for a month or any given period of time to let the episodes build up and then just watch them in a row so as to see the entire fight in one go. That or take the previous poster's advice and try watching a different genre if your current one isn't doing it for you.
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Kruszer
Joined: 19 Nov 2004
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Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 12:42 am
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It depends on what genre the show is. For instance some are all about instant satisfaction (comedy, action, echi/fanservice anime) while others make you wait for it as part of story structure (mysteries, romance). As for me I just watch it, I don't analyze it that much.
I do see where the annoyance from shounen series comes from though. I'm not really a big fan of too many of them myself. They tend to either train-wreck or go on endlessly usually. The good ones are always the shorter 24-52 episode ones that have a finite lifespan and conclude themselves.
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Ralifar
Joined: 15 Jul 2009
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Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 5:35 am
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I'm generally annoyed by cliffhangers as well. My solution to that is to not buy anything until it is completely out. Or if you are watching a show that comes on TV then just record the episodes and have an episode binge session every now and then.
What shows have you watched that give you 26 minutes of anime? The majority of shows I've seen give you about 21 and a half minutes of anime watching experience give or take a minute. You can add about 2 minutes to that if you include the opening and endings.
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PetrifiedJello
Joined: 11 Mar 2009
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Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 6:03 am
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Blueshift wrote: | i didn't get a good 26 minutes worth of anime in. |
Huh? 26 minutes? I think aliens are abducting you as you seem to be gaining time, especially with commercial friendly shows like Naruto.
Yes, I know, but I just had to poke fun.
Now to the point:
How many Dragonball characters does it take to change a lightbulb?
If you've never heard it, the answer is: "1, but it takes 26 episodes to do it."
It's an old joke, but the point is obvious. Some of these fighting series are purposely crafted to draw out plot elements to keep you tuned in, making you guess the outcome will be different (hint: it never is).
Any fan of Inuyasha will tell you first hand how this approach gets tiring.
As some replies stated, you may want to broaden your horizon with a different series, focusing on those which close. Check out the people's Top 10/5 Worst listings to get some stellar "recommendations".
Quote: | At the end ill will be like"im going to stop watching this arghhhh!" but i watch it anyways. |
Your soul now belongs to "them". Next up: countless merchandising pushes which forces you to buy a key chain you really don't want.
Quote: | Do any of you have this experience or a similar one with watching anime? |
I can relate to your situation, given I stopped watching Inuyasha after season 3. I just couldn't stomach the repetition without conclusion, even worse when it's taken this year to finally end the show.
And then there's Voltron...
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Imperialkat
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Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 8:33 pm
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As a fan of shonen series...I agree with everything that was just said. Granted, any story that relies on suspense will have some cliffhangers or make you hate the network for making you wait a whole 'nother week to deal with that plot thread. However that's 1) a great way to hook a viewer, and 2) probably not what you're talking about.
I think the difference in satisfaction comes not from the cliffhanger but from the lack of story preceeding it. Like eating spaghetti and meatballs vs. eating ramen. You come in expecting a certain amount of story in your bowl and while both dishes were delicious one changed your posture while the other barely registered.
In summary, a lack of satisfaction is the result of the story not moving fast enough. The story's still good, but you wish they got more into one episode. Some non-shonen series I've experienced this with were Fantastic Children and Red Garden. Both stories moved a lot slower than I would have liked, so I felt like I needed to watch two episodes to get my fill. I liked FC but might not have finished it if I didn't have the whole thing. RG I had to watch one episode at a time .
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Ausdoerrt
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Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 9:11 pm
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Shounen is a waste of time for people who're looking for a 26 minutes of anime well-stuffed with content. I mean, it just doesn't happen most of the time. Part of the big problem is that they don't have a set # of episodes to run, and the timing because of such an open-ended agenda can prove to be very poor. They're also very commercial, and put occupying the viewer and selling merch above the quality. Shounen isn't a genre to sit down and enjoy, it's a series to watch while you're doing sth else useful (it's not like the animation quality is anything worth seeing anyway).
PetrifiedJello wrote: | Now to the point:
How many Dragonball characters does it take to change a lightbulb?
If you've never heard it, the answer is: "1, but it takes 26 episodes to do it." |
Just to mention, that only really applies starting with DBZ. The original DB is a lot less slow and boring.
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Ktimene's Lover
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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 7:28 am
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Shounen and shoujo are a waste of time and money to certain fans. For me, it's the satisfaction of knowing the intended couple gets together and tells each other they like each other. Reason is because I am sucker for romance and know anime romances often will have upsetting endings.
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Ausdoerrt
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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:23 am
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OK, I can get how your argument works for shoujo, and I don't really have anything against it (rewatching Sailor Moon now lol); shounen doesn't have an "intended couple getting together in the end", partly because it never ends
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Ktimene's Lover
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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:24 am
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Shounen manga does end. Kimagure Orange Road, Rurouni Kenshin, etc., have ended. I haven't really read Kimagure but that and Kenshin did have the main couple end up together.
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RHachicho
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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:37 am
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Aye I definately hear you, i stopped watching Naruto and Bleach simply because i couldn't stand that the plot had been spun out so awfully without ever ending. These days if i watch an anime it has to have an end in sight that said i love long series and 50 episode anime's seem to be a rare thing so that rather does narrow my field and i end up watching these shows from time to time to alleviate boredom. You may wish to look up D - Grayman the plot weaves around a bit and sometimes its a bit of a "just get on with it" experience but so far every episode has been primarily made of new content.
I also get depressed by sheer number of anime that refuse to conclude any romance that occurs within them with either the protagonist or his interest dying or it being spun on and on forever not that im a total romance fan but i either want it to not be a theme or for it to be played out i get so sick of watching 2 people flirt for 150 episodes and nothing happen
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Ausdoerrt
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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 11:25 am
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Ctimene's Lover wrote: | Shounen manga does end. Kimagure Orange Road, Rurouni Kenshin, etc., have ended. I haven't really read Kimagure but that and Kenshin did have the main couple end up together. |
Allright, that's like two shows that have a definite ending. How about all the others that don't, or are still ongoing?
Also, I still don't see how it's better to watch 200 eps for an obvious ending when you can do the same thing with a 24-ep or 13-ep series. There's plenty of shorter trashy cliche series if you're looking for them.
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Skylark
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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 1:14 pm
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Ausdoerrt wrote: | OK, I can get how your argument works for shoujo, and I don't really have anything against it (rewatching Sailor Moon now lol); shounen doesn't have an "intended couple getting together in the end", partly because it never ends |
Every now and then, there is a rare gem that shows that there are shows out there that can take on a classic model yet still break the mould.
My example would be Busou Renkin, which has the whole shounen "beat an enemy, then power up to beat the next enemy, then everyone gasps in surprise at the amazing talent and short time with which [enter protagonist's name] has improved" thing going on, but not to the ridiculous extent that some shows achieve. (For example, Dragonball's "it's over 9000!" then becomes the Freiza arc's multi-million powerlevel yet they still manage to move from an "unbelievable" 9000 to that in a short space of time)
Not only this, but the show finishes in a modest 26 episodes (with a somewhat rushed, but still decent and conclusive finish) and is action packed from start to finish, with very little wasted time and annoying in-battle monologue. I would recommend the show to anyone who likes the idea of the genre but hates the shows usually pushed out of the factory assembly line.
I tend to avoid anime longer than 26 episodes, though lately I've avoided watching "completed" anime at all because the lack of weekly buildup results in less impact with each episode. There are some exceptions to my 26 episode rule (ie Eureka Seven, one of my favourite anime of all time) however usually anything longer than that fails to maintain my interest. I'm pretty picky with anime as it is; if I'm 3 episodes in and unsatisfied then I'll drop it (resulting in a rather unbalanced anime list because most of my ratings are on the "good" spectrum, as I just don't finish anime I don't like). I did actually watch bleach up until the bounto arc, though. I think it was exciting enough up to that point to hold my interest.
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Ausdoerrt
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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 3:51 pm
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Hey, I'm not saying it's impossible, and I'm well aware that not all shounen series run forever. However, I thought we were talking about that specific type of shounen series that do (given OPs post), hence my post.
In any case, I still think that watching those kind of shounen series for the story is sort of useless. I could see it all the other different factors that could attract people though.
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