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Shoelip
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Well the movie just played for one showing in the US and I was "lucky" enough to catch it... Um... Well... I knew it was going to be a "new mythos" but that really not an accurate description at all. Has anyone seen it?
Possible spoilers ahead. spoiler[ This movie... it feels like fan fetish fiction. All the characters are named, and look like you remember them, but they have completely different (and out of place) personalities. At least the few who show any personality at all. Not only that, but it felt like roughly half the footage (Hell, most of the individual assets and objects at that) was recycled from the series. Some scenes were just taken straight out of the show, while others were altered slightly, like a scene with Norb and and Sakuya where they replaced their heads with Holland's and Talho's respectively. Well ok, it's more like they colored Sakuya's hair black. It was just so utterly bizarre. Dewy appears in a few still photos as some pedophile who got murdered. Doctor Bear appears in a photo under the name Holland Novak, which Holland apparently stole from him after murdering him. Oh and the recycled footage just keeps coming. Just imagine if someone reedited Fight Club as a romantic comedy where Tyler and "Jack" fight over Darla, and no one's imagining it. That's about the way this movie made me feel. Still, the few original scenes with tons of missiles and lasers flying around were fairly cool, even if they were interspersed with questionably appropriate footage from the show. Also, the Gag real at the end was hilarious and made me leave the studio in a much better mood than I would have otherwise.] [EDIT: Be courteous and use more common sense next time by applying spoiler tags. -TK] |
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Blackpeppir
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You should edit your post to include spoiler tags, just in case y'know? That being said, I saw the movie as well, and while it wasn't as good as the original series or the manga adaptation it was still a decent film. Did I like the new roles for each of the characters? Not really, was Nirvash annoying and totally unnecessary in the form they put it in? Yes, but still if you watch the movie in itself, without expecting anything resembling the original series then it's still a halfway decent movie. That's not to say it's the approach you should take with a franchise movie but they did say it would be a retelling. I went in expecting the sort of changes they made with the Escaflowne movie and that's pretty much what I got and I was able to enjoy the movie. I still liked the series more and even the manga was better than the movie, and that's saying something, but as I've said it's not a horrible movie, just not an especially good movie considering the material they had to work with.
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TatsuGero23
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It was definitely more twisted then the original even with the fact they took scenes from the series. It's weird/disturbing how the context of those scenes changed with the new story line. But I actually like how they changed Holland, spoiler[From metaphorically a child in a man's body to literally.] and liked it overall. spoiler[It was also interesting/disturbing that even though they changed some of the characters overall demeanor, it didn't seem all that out of place. Hop and Stoner were a bit scary. Although I wasn't much of a fan of the new Nirvash design at the end.]
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Key
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The review for the series should be up later tonight (if it isn't already by the time you read this). Check out that and the thread that will form off of it for further discussion and thoughts on the movie.
Short version? I thought it was a pretty cool alternate take. |
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Mushi-Man
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I was really glad to see that there was a anime movie playing in my area (that's sadly rare) so of course I went. I was actually really satisfied with the out come. I think I might actually like this version better then the series. spoiler[The movie really pushed up the characters emotions in a more forceful manor than the series. Also you got to love the production value that went into the movie. You can really tell that they put some good work and money into this film. The visuals of the fight scenes are amazing and intense. I also liked how they made Eureka less... enclosed. Throughout a good part of the series Eureka was a kind of quite character but in the film she took are more powerful role. And to top it all off they had the ending theme "Space Rock" which I loved.] Over all I loved the movie. I really enjoyed the interviews as well at the end. It gave some good incite into the story and characters.
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~nanashi~
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I'm with Mushi-Man and Key, I just couldn't agree more. It's a good movie all-round. And Like Key I also thought it was a pretty cool alternate take. Two Thumbs up. 
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Shoelip
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I don't get the good production values claim. The majority of the scenes I remember were just slightly edited versions of scenes from the show. It felt like a practical joke.
I really would like to see exactly how much fully original footage was actually in this movie because it didn't feel like there was very much. |
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Key
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Um, I'd say about 90% of it was fully original. The only scene I thought was directly transplanted from the TV series was the scene early on where spoiler[the Antibodies (er, Eizo) were attacking the town]. |
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Shoelip
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That was just the first of many. I think it's actually going a bit far to say that the majority of the scenes were from the show but allot of them were. I'm pretty sure that the scene where it first shows the Gekko is actually the scene from the fourth intro to the show where it pans down onto Dewey's command craft. They just replaced Dewey's ship with the Gekko. The first seven swell scene from show is used with nearly no alteration when Nirvash fights the military after magically turning into it's spec two form. The scene with Axel watching it is even there but Axel gets replaced by the two people Renton saved from the Coralians, who I'm pretty sure were in the show as well. The scene when Koda is learning Renton's history shows the scene where Renton goes berserk though the color is altered slightly and they don't continue to show the infamous arm scene. This scene also reuses the scene where Renton and Axel are talking to the school principal after he gets into a fight, only the principal is replaced by Ken-go. I can't place it, but I distinctly remember the scene with The End in the background from the show. It think it's just the background perhaps. Holland and Talho in that scene are actually just altered versions of Norb and Sakuya, basically Holland's head is put on Norb's body, and Sakuya's hair color is changed to black. The scene where he's explain what happened to them is well.... Look at 1:14 on this video, which obviously has spoilers for those who don't want them.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QhA3z282Pw They reuse the flashback scene where spoiler[Holland and Renton's sister] are talking, but replace him with Koda. Then there are little scenes like the blond scientist whose name I forget coming in. Or a random scene in one of the battles of spoiler[Ray's mech] exploding. Oh yeah, right at the end they use a scene from the ending of the show with the kids and Axel. That was just completely weird. I'm sure there are more though I can't remember them at the moment. |
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larinon
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You know, whenever I'm reading a post and I see that once again someone thinks "allot" and "a lot" mean the same thing, I tune them right out. Your argument is null and void to me because of that. I thought the movie was decent enough. I watched all of the series subtitled, so the dub was new to me. I guess I liked it okay, the only voice that really bothered me being that of Stoner's. And, true enough, it looked like some footage was reused, but I didn't notice it except in a few places. I thought the movie was a little light on building the characters, and that people that hadn't seen the TV series might not appreciate or understand what was going on as much as people who did. Still, it's not like they had a lot of time to spend on that in the movie format. That's the problem when you have a large ensemble of characters, especially ones we got to know really well during the series like the crew of the Gekko. I don't know if anyone else had this problem in their theater, but the brightness on the movie seemed to be cranked up quite a bit. Some scenes looked like we were watching line art being animated because the characters were so washed out. I don't know if that was our theater or the feed they were getting. I really enjoyed the ending song, and the gag reel at the end made up for a lot of stuff I put up with in the dub. Overall I think I still prefer the TV series, but I want to give the movie another chance subtitled (and with proper brightness) when it comes out on DVD. |
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g*ni
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I will also support that much more than 10% is non-original. I would say the number is closer to 50-50. Many scene had adjusted colors from the original and in other cases the reuse come from utilizing layers from the original scenes with minor additions composited.
For example, the spoiler[flashback battle scene where it profiles Renton joining the army comes directly from the series with the blood color adjusted to green. Additionally the scene with his grandfather in the cafe is subsequently adapted with the compositing of the Kengo character. There is also reuse of the short battle footage between the devilfish and the super destroyer -- I don't know what the ship is officially called. This is also true in other scene like the approach to the Vodarak shrine; they removed the procession of people and kept the shot. The scene with the 3-4 shot of the solar canon is the same; and the image of the destroyer world ship next to it is a re-use as well (beam removed).] I could continue to cite examples but it is unnecessary. The entirely new scenes come in the beginning of the film and at the end. The remaining new footage is scattered and mixed, or composited into existing series footage. |
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everydaygamer
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i may be wrong but i thought they used those reused scenes on purpose. considering the movie takes place in an alternate universe it kind of showed that despite the differences it was essentially the same story. i mean it was interesting to watch the show and then the movie and then point out the similar but different scenes.
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Shoelip
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Oh come on, at least come up with a reason why you're ignoring me out of hand that doesn't automatically invalidate anything you have to say. You might as well say you don't care what I have to say because it disagrees with what you already think. Thus making your whole post a pointless flame. As for the brightness, from what I can tell that was the movie itself. I had it and I've seen that others did as well.
I'm sure that's what they'd like people to believe. I guess there's no way to know for certain. There's no definitive argument I can make to disprove that theory. But it just seems naive. I mean, the director himself said that he was trying to make a movie that people who knew nothing about the series would enjoy for two hours, and if I knew nothing about the series I probably would have enjoyed the movie (aside from the dialogue). It wouldn't have had the same effect on me that the series had, but I would have enjoyed it. So I really feel as though it's clear that this was just done to save time and money, while padding out the film with scenes that people who weren't fans of the show wouldn't recognize. Thought of a few m,ore. The scene with Jurgens and Koda in the car is from the episode where Dominic spoiler[first discovers Anemone's origins]. Dominic is replaced by Koda though. The scene with Koda talking to her secretary in the space station when Jurgens barges in and the secretary yells at him is also from the show. And pretty much all the scenes of the elder councilman sitting in the orange ship scenes of Dewey. Especially the scene with the big red button. The scene of Hammer of God silhouetted against the sun is actually the scene with oratorio number 8 silhouetted against the sun from the show. I don't think there were any changes. The scene with Hap on the toilet is straight out of the show. There's also that scene showing the Gekko crew taking their drug, which happens to look identical to the drug Anemone was always taking even though the similarities end there. |
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g*ni
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This is just a hypothesis itself, but the main reason to reuse footage, as they did with the RahXephon movie, is to cut costs. There really isn't a magic number for the cost of an animated film since it varies based on what producers can expect in return. However, reusing footage can save hundreds of thousands in budget costs. I'm certain they could have told the E7 story in a 90m format, but the movie stretches nearly 2h and the reuse of footage was no small contribution.
Reusing footage doesn't necessarily dictate what characters will do. However, certain haphazard scenes and dialog choices were likely prompted by adapting new material to existing footage. This film really misses the consistent witty dialog of Dai Sato, but the english dub really recovers in a big way with the help Tony Oliver. |
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Mushi-Man
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I'm pretty sure Key is right about this. That's the only part that I remember being reused, and even then the reused footage only lasted for a minute or so. I think even if they wanted to they couldn't reuse much of the footage from the series. The stories were just far to different. Even the scenes that were similar were still re drawn in a higher quality and with different shots. |
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