Forum - View topicYuki Kajiura vs. Yoko Kanno: Your Take
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Kimiko_0
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Well, I wouldn't call it outright plagiarism. She definitely uses bits and parts from many songs, sometimes more, sometimes less. As the saying goes, "When you copy from one person, it's called plagiarism; when you copy from many, it's called research.". Especially with the genericness of much background music (just something that fits the mood of the scene), it's sometimes hard to tell what is ABC was inspired by XYZ, convergent thinking between ABC and XYZ, or ABC copied from XYZ.
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Murasakisuishou
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-sigh- Whenever someone brings this up, I have three clips that I like to show as a rebuttal: The first one is the song "A Little Pain" by OLIVIA, from the anime NANA. Listen up through the chorus part. Now listen to "Ningentte Sonna Mono ne" by KOKIA, up through the chorus. Notice anything similar? The KOKIA song came out almost two years before the NANA anime, and yet you never hear anyone accusing OLIVIA or any of her people of plagiarism. The songs sound about as similar as any of the supposed 'examples' of Kanno plagiarizing - it's just the same, fairly average riff, with a little bit of the rhythm the same in the lyrics. But they say that Kanno takes music from artists all over the world, right? Well, to go back to my example, let's visit the U.S. real quick: Kelly Clarkson - "Just Missed the Train". Listen up through the chorus. Yeah. Three artists, three different years, exactly the same riff. If you look hard enough you'll probably find even more people using this riff - it's catchy, simple, and evokes an emotional response. So it's not entirely inconcievable that Yoko Kanno could be coming up with music that sounds like other music already produced. Now, there *are* spots where I think the accusations have some ground, like in the case with Hooverphonic's "Battersea" and "Cyber Bird" from Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex. That is way too much of a coincidence for me to believe that it was accidental. But still, I think that most of the similarities of Yoko Kanno's music to existing music are way overblown. If something in a song sounds good to the human ear, it's not surprising that it'd pop up in unrelated works. |
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Johnny_Astro
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I'm sure Kanno is a talented musician, but as much as I'd like to believe that coincidence is all that's in play here, I have to stress that the video I put up is one out of three others, all examples of song similarities.
Now coincidences happen, but I'm not inclined to believe that ALL the examples were coincidences. It disappoints me to think that Kanno would do this, and all I can lamely say is to maybe stop doing it? But to be honest, I do enjoy her "remixs" better. I guess everyone "steals" from each other eventually. But I'm just surprised that not a lot of people are making noise against her, especially the original artists. BTW: I personally like the song Ask DNA better than Beck's Where it's At, but I don't think anyone can deny the similarities. Beck's Where It's At The Seatbelt's Ask DNA |
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P€|\||§_|\/|ast@
 Posts: 3498 Location: IN your nightmares |
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I've been a fan of Yoko Kanno and I think light of this definitely would drop peoples impression of her down a notch or two at least. Even if most of it is coincidence, this kind of negative publicity looks bad for her, and is obvious there are haters out there attacking her.
It doesn't really phase me because of being the die-hard Kajiura fan I am, a part of me is also happy because anything that supports my belief that Yuki Kajiura is the superior composer and artist of the two, is fine by my book. Especially if Yoko is genuinely at fault for these musical faux pas. |
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Murasakisuishou
Posts: 1469 Location: NE Ohio |
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I've seen all three videos, and to me, most of the 'similarities' are about as similar as the songs that I posted - there's just a common element like a riff or a drum track that's probably also used in a ton of other songs that Yoko Kanno had nothing to do with. Like the track that "Torukia" supposedly stole from - generic techno song, you sound like...another generic techno song. Wow, proof! Again, I say that, if something sounds good, there's no reason why two seperate people (or more) who've never had anything to do with each other shouldn't 'think of it' and then use it in a song. Not every song ever composed can be completely unique. Also, compare this to all of the 'borrowing' that goes on in the world of fiction. There are song tropes just the same as there are tropes in movies, TV, and books - elements that are used because people respond to them in a certain way and the artist wants to evoke that particular feeling when their music is heard. For example, that wonderful video about all of the songs that use the chord progression found in Pachelbel's Canon. What I'm trying to say is, this isn't just a phenomenon that's restricted to the work of Yoko Kanno - for every song out there, there's probably another couple of songs that sound quite a bit like it, simply because there are only so many ways that favorable musical elements can be combined, and people have been making music for a pretty darn long time. |
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Wu Ming
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Don't good artist create, and great artists steal? Or something to that effect.
Case in point: Harder Faster Stronger Daft Punk's Original - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzV2s58P1rU Kanye West's - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jzSh_MLNcY I'm a Daft Punk fan, but i can't deny that Kanye's version is more beloved. And there is some argument about to what degree Yoko Kanno borrows from other peoples works. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Syk56MVzsMo&feature=related |
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zansabarshadow
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well i really like both of them but Yuki's work on Tsubasa Chronicle and Pandora Hearts were what made me choose her o-o
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penguintruth
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Daft Punk, against their better judgement, allowed Kayne West to sample their song for his awful, self-aggrandizing garbage. Much like how the artists Yoko Kanno "stole from" likely allowed her to sample. No suits have ever been filed against her. Anyway, these comparisons made are so lame, most of them sound nothing at all like her work. |
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