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GoldHawk021
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When Kingdom Hearts was announced people thought that is just going to be a dumb Rpg with Disney Chracters created by
Square Enix. But when KH was placed in the PS2 all minds were changed and combinig two different cultures to make a good game. Now combining Japan anime and American pop culture , music, or anything liked that ,Should be included in Anime entertainment. Yes Or No? And Why? |
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BlackRose321
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Not sure what you mean...I guess I kind of knew they were combined but I don't know which was which, know what I mean? LOL
I like anime the way it is, its already kind of blended. I mean, look at Inuyasha at least, it has refrences to God or Christianity (I think, there was a thread on "plot holes" somewhere that named things that showed up in Inuyasha that didn't exist in Japan, or even in that time period.) I believe. Well, things they said weren't things people would say not only in that time but not in Japan period...get it? 
.....unless that isn't what you meant then I like anime the way it is. 
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GoldHawk021
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Don't worry I know what you mean.
 I'm not saying all anime should change but to start some original anime. For example ,Cowboy bebop music was influenced by jazz which I think was started in U.S.A.
Samurai Champloo music was influenced by hip hop which started in usa. See, there was a combination right there. And I know at least half of all you love the theme song of Cowboy Bebop. I hope this kinda helps you what I ment 
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BlackRose321
Posts: 79 Location: In my head... |
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Yea, that helps.
I love the Cowboy Bebop theme song...and this most likely has nothing to do with this but I loved the ending song on the last episode.
I think its fine the way it is, if you mix them it becomes to American, know what I mean? I like watching things that come from Japan with a touch of American culture that they put in themselves. Anime is so different from American cartoons and I love it that way, they make you think more and they use things that I have to look up sometimes. American cartoons..well, I can just sit there and not think and get the whole plot.
I also like the music they have thats Japanese, like the Inuyasha ending songs, but I like some that are from America. I guess I like learning more about Japan even if its only through anime but if there is a bit of American stuff in there I don't mind...just not an equal amount, its from Japan and should be able to be recognized as such. 
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C_Brightshadow
 Posts: 81 Location: In a Mod-Starbridge running away from pirates |
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I get what you're getting at. I'm all cool with cross-cultural anime that borrows theme, music, art, etc. from other cultures. It's probably a good idea because you can make anime that's more specific to the audience and the theme of the anime (Bebop definately comes to mind. What a good show...).
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Tony K.
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So are you asking if any influence outside of Japan is good for anime?
If that's the case, then I totally say yes. Well, considering that I've only seen it a lot of it in Bebop, Samurai Champloo, Noir, and maybe Escaflowne. As you said GoldHawk021-san, the music in Bebop and Champloo are a good determining factor. I believe Yoko Kanno's music background came from the west, hence all of that catchy jazz in the series. Her work in Escaflowne also seems to have a European-esque feel to it (not to mention the feudal Europe style of the show with the dragons and knights and such.) Yuuki Kajiura, I think, also had a lot of musical background from Europe, and she does a good job with the music in Noir. I can't say I really know European music myself, but it does sound like her work could be at that level. As for Champloo, it's still pretty new, so I can't really comment on it. But for those of you who have seen it, I think it's easy to hear the hip-hop roots are very prevalent. I haven't seen too many anime that actually have outside cultural references. Seeing as how all anime are made in Japan, maybe their interpretations of other cultures are a little off, although I've heard Fullmetal Alchemist has a lot of Western cultural nuances, but I haven't seen any of it. 
Overall though, from what examples of mixed cultured anime I have seen, I don't have a real problem with any of it, as it is usually very fun to watch at times.
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the_soultaker
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There are many examples of Anime that has been influenced from different cultures and such. I.E Soultaker contains slight references of Catholic Religion. The Last Exile's designs and conceptual Artwork was influenced by German industrial societies back in the mid to late 30's I believe.
It even has a Techno theme song, which is one of the best themes i have heard in awhile. And speaking of Music, there are plenty of outside influences which have been implemented in Anime's intro/ending themes and such. be it rock, jazz or pop. (or more like J-pop )
Many otakus were disappointed in the Street Fighter Anime, (American licensed version) mainly because of the omission of the original Japanese songs and BGM. However seeing both versions I actually preferred the licensed version.(the ending, however sucked.)But that's just me.
So to put it in a nutshell, I think incorporating some western cultural influences in Anime can be beneficial for both the producers and American distro companies, otakus for cross cultural appeal.(As opposed to everything being "Homogenized") After all would civilization be better off if not for this wonderful thing that is Cultural Diffusion? |
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Vigilante024
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I've always thought of the Japanese very good at picking up and merging cultures into their own. We see it in anime because that is what most of us are exposed to, but if you look alittle deeper you will see that various cultures have influenced Japanese culture, just as various cultures have influenced American culture and others. Music is the best example of the various cultural influences, and listening to Japanese music you will note influences of pop music from US and Europe. Therefore, whether or not you think influence of different cultures is good in anime, it's unavoidable since that is how their culture works. Some may speculate is it an emulation of the Japanese to be "more Western" which is not entirely true. They see what is good and try to encoporate it into their own culture
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GoldHawk021
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Vigilante024 wrote:
I also agree with that. I guess that is why Cowboy Bebop was a succesful anime 
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UberTai
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Champloo? If you mean the hip-hop music, do not forget there is music like that in Japan. Rap is not exclusive to America. |
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RezSav
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i think its terrible. i was watching digimon the movie this morning (not by choice) and it seemed like everyother cartoon mvoie out their. when i watch anime i wanna see some original and unique work (Cowboy Bebop, FLCL, Betterman) i dont want it screwed up by smashmouth or uncle cracker singing about how they cant get laid. thats what i think about american music mixed with anime anyways, i just dont like any pop in anime
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Iscariot
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I don't see what your talking about by making references to Cowboy Bebop and FLCL because in Cowboy Bebop they have a jazz type style and FLCL they make reference to alot of American and British rock artists. |
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GoldHawk021
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Rezsav Wrote
Now that was a good one I should put that a classic!
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RezSav
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im talking about pop music in anime, i think it would be terrible, imagine hearing someone like tomoe shinohara singing on the last session instead of hearing blue. yes Cowboy Bebop and FLCL do alot of references, but their music is their own they made it they didn't use no pop. and without the music, FLCL and Cowboy Bebop wouldnt be the masterpiece's that many people consider it to be. i still pick yoko over the pillows
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Tony K.
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Well, I'm not too familiar with any music outside of a little bit of J-Pop/Rock that I've heard. I'm sure there is a style of hip-hop similar to what is present in America, but my point was that their style (the Japanese) is probably influenced by what (most likely) started here in the U.S. Again though, I'm no music major, nor do I claim any of these comments to be necessarily true. I am just guessing and commenting on what I think is the case.
Feel free to correct me anyone.
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