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Unit 03.5-ish
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Yeah, it's something we all hate, especially when the rest of the series was good. The conclusion is incredibly half-assed or kicked out the gate without trying to wrap the show up in a convincing fashion, and it can sour one's impressions of an otherwise great show.
What was, in your opinion, the biggest waste of an ending in an anime? Here's one that I think is up there, but not the worst. Martian Successor Nadesico: spoiler[it wasn't bad enough that the TV series left a lot of burning questions unanswered and gave us a "...but there's more!" ending, they made a movie to try and tie things up but STILL didn't answer everything, and to get the full story you had to play two Sega system games that never even came here because as we know, anime-based games have a habit of not making it to our shores, but even then I'm sure the games were nothing to write home about.] Otherwise I enjoyed the series, but the ending made me feel hollow. Last edited by Unit 03.5-ish on Sun Dec 28, 2008 10:28 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Mighty Midgit
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Wolfs Rain... Well, it is not a rushed ending but it was disappointing.
spoiler[Most of them die to get there and then they turn back because it was not what they expected, basically making everything they did in the entire show pointless.] |
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dtm42
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What about the even more dreaded "no ending"? Kare Kano and Berserk are the two that best exemplify it.
But back to the topic at hand, I would have to say that Trigun is guilty of it. In the last episode we hastily get told a somewhat large amount of backstory, which has to compete with the final battle for screentime. A fitting end to the side characters isn't quite achieved, though they do their best. I might think of some more examples later. |
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Unit 03.5-ish
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dtm, you forgot InuYasha for the "non-ending" shows.
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Mushi-Man
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Yeah Inuyasha had an awful ending, mainly because it wasn't and ending! God I hate it when animes and mangas have these types of endings, I makes me so mad. MxO fans should know all about this. spoiler[That wasn't an ending, all he did was go to another school for a year. It didn't conclude or even address any of the conflicts or goals presented in the manga.] Although that's actually a manga, it still had a 'rushed ending' and it made me mad.
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dtm42
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Whoops, how did I forget that? That has to be the ultimate non-ending, if only because the production staff even mentioned it (if my memory serves me right) in the show itself. I think Cowboy Bebop was another "rushed ending" show. Now, that is just my personal opinion, because the nature of the finale isn't rushed in and of itself. But I always thought that the best part of that show (besides the music) was the characters, and yet we - or at least, I - didn't get any real form of resolution for them. I'm not just talking about Spike (if you know what I mean), but how the characters didn't have an entirely befitting sendoff. I at least wanted to know what they did afterwards, even if it was just them struggling with their old problems. But I'll tell you the most rushed ending that I've recently seen, and it isn't a Gundam (happens with almost every series in the franchise anyway), and it isn't Code Geass (no, I won't go there right now, so don't worry). Instead it is another Mecha show, Macross Frontier. All along we had been treated to a love triangle, and a large amount of time had been invested into developing it. The finale rolls around, and they spend so much time on this immense battle there is no time for any resolution whatsoever. spoiler[Both girls say that they will refuse to "lose" to one another, so it is only partly the male lead's fault, though if he just chosen one it would have been so much easier.] I hope I didn't spoil anyone with the above paragraph. I like to think of it as a friendly word-of-warning. But I think I'll spoiler tag the worst part anyway; angry mods aren't good to have. |
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Pinkwings
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E's Otherwise.
I hate that I watched this. It seemed like a average shounen. I sorta liked it. spoiler[ But you dont even know for sure if the main character dies or not at the end. Where the hell is he? What happened? Also info on the other characters was left out. ] FF: Unlimited suffered the same thing. What happened to the characters?! It almost feels like another episode is missing. My memory of these might be foggy so if you want to correct me or something feel free. I wanted to add: I just checked and it appears the manga for E's otherwise is ongoing..if baka-updates manga is to be believed. So that might explain the ending. :/ |
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doctordoom85
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FF Unlimited was meant to be a 50 episode series. However, the movie FF: Spirits Within flopped, and they had to cut Unlimited short to save their budget. Another reason I hate Spirits Within.
(to avoid heated debate, will ignore criticism of greatest ending ever: Bebop) 
Anyway, it wasn't rushed, but I think Gundam Seed needed an epilogue, especially to give a spoiler[funeral scene to Mu and Flay, and to see the opposing sides reaching a peaceful agreement.] |
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HellKorn
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Last Exile suffers from this. I still really like the ending, but it could have been set up far better if the dull, melodramatic episode halfway in the series hadn't disrupted the flow of the narrative.
spoiler[Uh, no. It's not pointless at all, and I don't see how it can be considered disappointing unless you want it to end in a way that doesn't fit the story.] Read this thread and see if you have the same opinion.
Well, I guess, but it wouldn't have added anything to the narrative. The whole point of the show is wrapped up, with not much else to be said... The actual ending itself is rushed, though considering spoiler[it's a mere formality, almost treated as an afterthought,] it fits. |
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penguintruth
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The ending of Cowboy Bebop is so perfect, if they'd added an epilogue about the other characters, it would have rung hallow. The show was always, at the core, Spike's story, spoiler[so his end is the end. ] If you want a real rushed ending, there's The Big O, which was either intended to have a third season after the finale or before they did the finale, which would better explain the racing to the finish line. It's not difficult to decipher the intent of the production team if you read between the lines, but there are also quite a few uncomfortably awkward questions still there. I don't really think it needs a second season so much as it needs a two or three OVA to smooth things out a bit. A lot of Gundam productions seem to race to the end, too. A lot of pacing issues are the result of ratings and production concerns, though. Hell, even the original series was supposed to go on for more than the 43 episodes it did. That's one of those instances where I'm glad they cut it down, because if it ended anything like the Tomino novels, it would have been a disaster (as much as I admire Tomino otherwise). |
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Unit 03.5-ish
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You know what other show has what could be described as a non-ending? Noir. The show is quite good in terms of drama and pacing, yet spoiler[the main villainess' motives still aren't completely fleshed-out by the end and even stranger is how the series finishes on a cliffhanger where the mysterious organization of DOOM (TM) leaves the two leads to go for just that once, leading one to believe they intended to do a second series or season, which never happened, though in some ways Bee Train's next series about amnesiac gun-toting girls, Madlax, was considered a spiritual successor by some, though I haven't seen it. I mean, don't get me wrong, I thought Noir was a pretty good show, the ending just left me wanting more.]
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Jedi Master
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spoiler[ 1)the main villainess' motives still aren't completely fleshed-out by the end Altena believed in the ideal described in the Noir myth and wanted to create a Noir that was free from the corruption of Soldats' control. She manipulated all three Saplings so that they would not yield to Soldats authority regardless of the outcome of the Great Return. Mireille and Kirika would operate independently from the Soldats. Chloe and Kirika would wield authority over the Soldats. It seems Altena never intended for Mireille and Chloe to unite as Noir. 2)and even stranger is how the series finishes on a cliffhanger where the mysterious organization of DOOM (TM) leaves the two leads to go for just that once, leading one to believe they intended to do a second series or season, which never happened, Kirika and Mireille proved themselves to be the True Noir. The Soldats have no choice but to acknowledge them as such.]
No prior knowledge of Noir is needed to enjoy Madlax. The stories are completely unrelated. Even though I enjoyed Noir there was one other thing about its ending that disappointed me: spoiler[They never explained how Kirika developed her superhuman assassin skills.] |
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nightjuan
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I think non-endings can be much more of a waste than merely rushed endings which, ironically, can sometimes be salvaged, one way or another (parts of the Gundam franchise and most recently Code Geass come to mind).
When you don't even have a real ending that's far worse, not to mention that even properly paced series can have poor resolutions without any rush being involved. With that in mind, these aren't necessarily the "worst" endings I can think of, since I don't think one thing implies the other, just a list of rushed or non-endings. Martian Successor Nadesico is certainly a good example and this unfortunately includes not just the TV series but the movie too, which is worse in that regard, to the point of being almost a non-ending. Orguss...I don't know if the staff wanted to be "artsy", which could be a better description than simply "rushed", but the ending does feel like something is missing and wasn't properly resolved through symbolism. That said, the ending does have some thematic strengths, I guess. Saint Seiya has significantly rushed endings in both the TV series and the manga's one extra arc. Then again, this could probably be said of countless shounen fighting series in general, like Dragon Quest: Dai no Daibouken, which manages to be both rushed *and* non-ending. The Irresponsible Captain Tylor OVAs simply end in the middle of the current plot, unlike the TV series which has more than enough closure by itself even if a few quirks are involved Kare Kano just stops and expects you to read the manga, yes, but I think Berserk at least performed that same stunt more convincingly. Gantz just goes into filler, cutting itself from the manga, and simply gives you a "symbolic" non-ending when all is said and done. |
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Jedi Master
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Martian Successor Nadesico has been brought up several times. But the scene where they discuss the ending of Gekiganger implies that the writers intended for the series to never have a proper ending.
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Vader
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Almost every anime i have seen had rushed or terrible endings. The one who mostly comes in mind is Trigun because it is very rarely that an anime succeeds at having such a bad ending.
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