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REVIEW: Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha DVD

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Unusually severe problems? Loli got your tongue? I can't really believe that this site doesn't have some sort of bias gainst moe either. I mean, Answerman can be a dick to moe fans, and I don't see a lot of other moe titles (sometimes equal in quality as Strawberry Marshmallow) get as good reviews compared to those that get rated unusually low ratings, especially compared to other anime review sites. You think one good review is enough?

ANN doesn't just have one reviewer. They have like five... I think. Anyway, it's Carl's review and thus it comes with Carl's opinion. To echo a previous poster, if you have a problem with it, let's see your review of the series.

nargun wrote:

Nanoha. Has. Problems. Unusually severe problems, even for shows in its genre. This review reflects that.

Indeed, first season anyhow. Again, this is why I want to see Carl review A's, where many of these problems are corrected. Even as the first season progressed there was a definite push away from the conventions it established at the start. A's continues that push away and the franchise overall is nothing like how it originally started.

If you're making advertising money attracting visitors with your reviews, then you'd better damn well make sure they're informative and worth reading. I don't believe any review site deserves to earn its money if it doesn't take the effort to create a satisfying review.

grgspunk wrote:

If you're making advertising money attracting visitors with your reviews, then you'd better damn well make sure they're informative and worth reading. I don't believe any review site deserves to earn its money if it doesn't take the effort to create a satisfying review.

Quite, so come on, show us a "satisfying review"of your own. Convince me that I want to see this.

Mohawk52 wrote:

grgspunk wrote: If you're making advertising money attracting visitors with your reviews, then you'd better damn well make sure they're informative and worth reading. I don't believe any review site deserves to earn its money if it doesn't take the effort to create a satisfying review. Quite, so come on, show us a "satisfying review"of your own. Convince me that I want to see this.

"Satifying" as in he shows that he understands the show, shows a degree of objectivity, retains a neutral tone and has opinions based on "facts" rather than "preferences". But you probably wouldn't understand that.

Well, it's not like the whole overly-mature preteen girls idea is a new thing. Be it the cast of Cardcaptor Sakura, or Yuzuyu from Aishiteruze Baby, or even Sailor Moon's Chibi-Usa, anime's littered with young girls who have more complex thoughts on relationship issues than most adult women I've known, so I don't see why this is being highlighted now. Maybe it's just nitpicking.

2DOtaku wrote:

Well, it's not like the whole overly-mature preteen girls idea is a new thing. Be it the cast of Cardcaptor Sakura, or Yuzuyu from Aishiteruze Baby, or even Sailor Moon's Chibi-Usa, anime's littered with young girls who have more complex thoughts on relationship issues than most adult women I've known, so I don't see why this is being highlighted now. Maybe it's just nitpicking.

That would be because Nanoha takes the maturity of children to unbelievable extremes. If they had established at the beginning of the series that Nanoha was 12 years old, this series would be more believable, but even then, Nanoha would still sound too mature then her age suggests. Her world outlook is far too advanced for a nine-year-old girl.

Splitter wrote:

2DOtaku wrote: Well, it's not like the whole overly-mature preteen girls idea is a new thing. Be it the cast of Cardcaptor Sakura, or Yuzuyu from Aishiteruze Baby, or even Sailor Moon's Chibi-Usa, anime's littered with young girls who have more complex thoughts on relationship issues than most adult women I've known, so I don't see why this is being highlighted now. Maybe it's just nitpicking. That would be because Nanoha takes the maturity of children to unbelievable extremes. If they had established at the beginning of the series that Nanoha was 12 years old, this series would be more believable, but even then, Nanoha would still sound too mature then her age suggests. Her world outlook is far too advanced for a nine-year-old girl.

Have you watched Sailor Moon? Chibi-Usa's thought process is nothing short of poetic sometimes, and she's what, five?

2DOtaku wrote:

Splitter wrote: 2DOtaku wrote: Well, it's not like the whole overly-mature preteen girls idea is a new thing. Be it the cast of Cardcaptor Sakura, or Yuzuyu from Aishiteruze Baby, or even Sailor Moon's Chibi-Usa, anime's littered with young girls who have more complex thoughts on relationship issues than most adult women I've known, so I don't see why this is being highlighted now. Maybe it's just nitpicking. That would be because Nanoha takes the maturity of children to unbelievable extremes. If they had established at the beginning of the series that Nanoha was 12 years old, this series would be more believable, but even then, Nanoha would still sound too mature then her age suggests. Her world outlook is far too advanced for a nine-year-old girl. Have you watched Sailor Moon? Chibi-Usa's thought process is nothing short of poetic sometimes, and she's what, five?

I've tried watching it, and I didn't like what I saw. Hearing this, I doubt my chances of ever returning to it.

Note: For a confident nine-year-old magical girl who acts like a nine-year-old and doesn't exist for otaku pandering, watch Cardcaptor Sakura.

Splitter wrote:

2DOtaku wrote: Splitter wrote: 2DOtaku wrote: Well, it's not like the whole overly-mature preteen girls idea is a new thing. Be it the cast of Cardcaptor Sakura, or Yuzuyu from Aishiteruze Baby, or even Sailor Moon's Chibi-Usa, anime's littered with young girls who have more complex thoughts on relationship issues than most adult women I've known, so I don't see why this is being highlighted now. Maybe it's just nitpicking. That would be because Nanoha takes the maturity of children to unbelievable extremes. If they had established at the beginning of the series that Nanoha was 12 years old, this series would be more believable, but even then, Nanoha would still sound too mature then her age suggests. Her world outlook is far too advanced for a nine-year-old girl. Have you watched Sailor Moon? Chibi-Usa's thought process is nothing short of poetic sometimes, and she's what, five? I've tried watching it, and I didn't like what I saw. Hearing this, I doubt my chances of ever returning to it. Note: For a confident nine-year-old magical girl who acts like a nine-year-old and doesn't exist for otaku pandering, watch Cardcaptor Sakura.

I have. Cardcaptor Sakura is my all-time favourite anime.

But to be perfectly honest with you, I think the characters in that act pretty mature as well sometimes. Take for example the scene where spoiler[Sakura confesses her feelings to Yukito, and Yukito in turn turns her down, but in doing so reassures her that he isn't treating her like a child by disregarding her feelings for him]. To cite one example of the many I could.

2DOtaku wrote:

Splitter wrote: 2DOtaku wrote: Splitter wrote: 2DOtaku wrote: Well, it's not like the whole overly-mature preteen girls idea is a new thing. Be it the cast of Cardcaptor Sakura, or Yuzuyu from Aishiteruze Baby, or even Sailor Moon's Chibi-Usa, anime's littered with young girls who have more complex thoughts on relationship issues than most adult women I've known, so I don't see why this is being highlighted now. Maybe it's just nitpicking. That would be because Nanoha takes the maturity of children to unbelievable extremes. If they had established at the beginning of the series that Nanoha was 12 years old, this series would be more believable, but even then, Nanoha would still sound too mature then her age suggests. Her world outlook is far too advanced for a nine-year-old girl. Have you watched Sailor Moon? Chibi-Usa's thought process is nothing short of poetic sometimes, and she's what, five? I've tried watching it, and I didn't like what I saw. Hearing this, I doubt my chances of ever returning to it. Note: For a confident nine-year-old magical girl who acts like a nine-year-old and doesn't exist for otaku pandering, watch Cardcaptor Sakura. I have. Cardcaptor Sakura is my all-time favourite anime. But to be perfectly honest with you, I think the characters in that act pretty mature as well sometimes. Take for example the scene where spoiler[Sakura confesses her feelings to Yukito, and Yukito in turn turns her down, but in doing so reassures her that he isn't treating her like a child by disregarding her feelings for him]. To cite one example of the many I could.

But that's at least believable. Sakura doesn't go well beyond her years in any inner monologues and remains truthful to her age bracket, assumed knowledge, and thoughts regarding how to approach the subject.

Nanoha, by comparison, has an unusually strong sense of conviction, a no-nonsense "tough love" policy that isn't even hinted at in the slightest in the first half of Season 1, and speaks so lucidly I refuse to believe she's actually nine.

I'll totally grant Carl the fact that most magical girl shows are kind of the same. That said . . . that one show that every one of them is? I love it ^_______^ I have no interest in lolicon or moe or anything of that nature, I just like to watch magical girls beat up bad guys and talk about the power of friendship. Oh, and have tentative romances with their classmates. I love that part.

I've wanted to watch Nanoha for ages simply because 1. it's mahou shoujo and 2. the character designs in A's look pretty cool, but I need to see the first season first. I'm probably going to rent this through Netflix, but I will definitely buy it if it's really filled with as many magical girl genre tropes as Carl promises. Actually, I'm excited about this mecha aspect I keep hearing about, as that sounds like something a little different from what I usually watch in terms of mahou shoujo (I watch a lot of Gundam with my fiance, but generally the giant robots and the magical girls are separate in our house).