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Roy9076
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Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:45 am
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That's the problem with animation in general; sometimes the characters look the same. Wouldn't kill to add in distictive features, but then if you make the character too complicated, then it is just a pain in the ass to animate! Ahh... shortcuts.
Another good one as well. Love Nina's expressions.
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chibisama
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Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:10 am
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Great comic. Myoopi always makes me chuckle when he randomly poops out candy like in the fifth frame.
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RedTail
Joined: 25 Aug 2004
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Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:14 am
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mangaka-chan wrote: |
fairyuuen wrote: |
Kevins' comment in Panel 6 is trully evident.
Take for example the popular series Gundam Seed.
Majority of the characters have the same faces.
They only differ in eye color, hair style and hair color. |
My thoughts exactly. I remember sometime ago finding a CGed picture where someone switched the hair styles and faces of the characters around and despite that they still looked the same. ;; |
Might've been me. I created and posted these over at AN several years ago to demonstrate how much of a hack Hisashi Hirai is...
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Forgive the lack of Photoshop skill. Still gets the point across though.
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narutoismybrother
Joined: 10 Aug 2007
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Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:20 am
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lmao! I didn't even see the scar until Nina mentioned it.
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icepick314
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Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:04 am
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RedTail wrote: |
Might've been me. I created and posted these over at AN several years ago to demonstrate how much of a hack Hisashi Hirai is... |
Hisashi Hirai is one of my favorite character designer!!
No dissing on Hirai-san, dammit!!!
I recognize his character design right away...along with Clamp, Masamune Shirow, Noizi Ito, and Ken Akamatsu...
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Ai no Kareshi
Joined: 13 Mar 2005
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Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:12 am
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icepick314 wrote: | I recognize his character design right away... |
I would recognize his character designs right away as well, seeing as they apparently all look the same.
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billyarnie
Joined: 03 Dec 2007
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Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:26 am
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Leon Evolon wrote: | Yes, the scar makes all the difference doesn't it?
What if the entire cast had a scar in a different place on their face, then we'd have an interesting lineup. |
Indeed, it would be different. BTW, don't forget 2 of the 5 have ear studs... now I'm having a hard time telling them apart!
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Viga_of_stars
Joined: 17 Aug 2006
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Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:42 am
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fairyuuen wrote: |
Kevins' comment in Panel 6 is trully evident.
Take for example the popular series Gundam Seed.
Majority of the characters have the same faces.
They only differ in eye color, hair style and hair color. |
Ditto for Sailor Moon. Just look at it!
Also, I like bishies! Screw you Kevin!
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errantrogue
Joined: 24 Sep 2008
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Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:45 am
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meh, like what you want... just don't expect me to respect your choices.
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Iritscen
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Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:30 am
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Thanks for (re-)posting that for those of us who hadn't seen it, RedTail; that's pretty sad, right there. I daresay there's a little more variety in one of his shows, s-CRY-ed. But otherwise, man, the guy has got to expand his style a bit.
Also, re:scars, don't even get me started on how there's only a few kinds of facials scars in all of animé: the vertical one across one eye, the cross-shaped scar on the cheek (or sometimes chin), the parallel tracks down one cheek... let's see, can anyone else come up with a couple more?
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enurtsol
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Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:32 am
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reanimator wrote: |
Animator are supposed to do some "plastic surgery" on these bland design, but they can't deviate too much so that they can please "blind" fans. Good character designer has galls to implement his or her solid style on existing design. That is why some character designers are still popular with fans. On the other hand, inexperienced or bad character designer just use existing original designs and modify them for animation use. Director is also responsible because he has ultimate responsibility to weeds out bland designs. |
Well, sometimes character designers are constrained by what looks in the original manga, where the character similarities are even worse - in B&W without the benefit of colors!
OK, would it be blasphemy if we consider Hayao Miyazaki's females on this list?
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Big Hed
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Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:36 am
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Am I the only one who first thought that Talan was a restyled Nina?
Great comic. Another one that's so funny because it's true.
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SailorButterfly
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Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:47 pm
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I don't mind if my bishie look alike as long as they're hot.
Hey, guys, I'm working on an Anime News Nina costume for a convention, and I've made a Myoopi plushie to go along with it. What do you think?
I need to smooth his stuffing out some, though.
He also has a pouch that snaps closed on the bottom where I can put candy poops. ^-^
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NamaeX
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Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:52 pm
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RedTail wrote: |
mangaka-chan wrote: |
fairyuuen wrote: |
Kevins' comment in Panel 6 is trully evident.
Take for example the popular series Gundam Seed.
Majority of the characters have the same faces.
They only differ in eye color, hair style and hair color. |
My thoughts exactly. I remember sometime ago finding a CGed picture where someone switched the hair styles and faces of the characters around and despite that they still looked the same. ;; |
Might've been me. I created and posted these over at AN several years ago to demonstrate how much of a hack Hisashi Hirai is...
+ =
Forgive the lack of Photoshop skill. Still gets the point across though. |
When they mentioned that, I thought about this:
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Sam Murai
Joined: 01 Dec 2006
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Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 2:04 pm
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bglassbrook wrote: |
fairyuuen wrote: |
Kevins' comment in Panel 6 is trully evident.
Take for example the popular series Gundam Seed.
Majority of the characters have the same faces.
They only differ in eye color, hair style and hair color. |
Which leads to the question of import: How many times did Robyn have to redraw brown-eyed Nina ... I mean Talan, to remove the pointed ears?
PS - Am I noticing a concerted theme in this week's content, or just a bizzare happenstance? |
It’s pretty funny when also considering that Nina’s entranced facial expression when thinking of Talan is different than the others (the psychiatrists would have a field day on that one ).
Hisashi Hirai’s illustrations have never bother me, personally, and I think that he gets too much grief when other more revered designers don’t get any while pretty much reusing the same sets of designs each time (even some of my favorites). Hayao Miyazaki (and Ghibli, in general), Leiji Matsumoto, a good chunk of shoujo mangaka, Masamune Shirow, Osamu Tezuka (despite doing so on purpose), Akira Toriyama, Rumiko Takahashi, and even Keiji Gotoh and Range Murata are all guilty of reusing some or a good deal of previous designs or use a single template for most of their single sex designs (often the females). I don’t see anything terribly wrong with that as long as their some variety used along the way.
Also, a good deal of animated characters in a series look fairly indistinguishable from the nose to the chin, with the variations lying on the areas that will tend to catch viewer’s attention the most: the eyes and hair. Hirai’s aren’t that much different in terms of how others do their’s, though I tend to think that the dislike is based more on the style of the designs themselves, as his have a smooth, less detailed look that makes it easier to dissertate. Additionally, it also comes down to personal tastes, in which the others listed have more popular, aesthetically-pleasing designs than him.
P.S.: If you really want variety in Hirai designs, just watch LINEBARRELS OF IRON. There’s some in every different scene, even in the very same shot!
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