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shogun51



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2004 3:46 am Reply with quote
I'd like to see an american anime. like Japanese visual style and sensibility but with american story telling. it would be interesting to see if a combo that works with films works on anime.
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Syker 07



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2004 3:48 am Reply with quote
How about Teen Titans?

Seems to be just what you described Wink
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kamiboy



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2004 6:49 am Reply with quote
We already kind of discussed this in another thread. I think it was called something like "Foreigners working with anime" or something.

Personally I much, much, much, much, incredibly and indescribably much rather see those two sides stay independent, separated and far from each other forever and ever and ever, or at least for as long as I live. Please gods grant me this one humble request in this, my already unbearable, life and I shall sacrifice my firstborn, regardless of sex, to you as a tribute. Hell I’ll even throw in my second born and it’s mother for a good measure.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2004 8:22 am Reply with quote
shogun51 wrote:
like Japanese visual style and sensibility but with american story telling.


Cowboy Bebop basically fills that criteria. Anime ingrained with American culture.

I'm not quite so spiteful as kamiboy, but I do ask why would you want such a thing?
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Sword of Whedon



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2004 11:10 am Reply with quote
It's impossible to have non-Japanese anime. While the term in Japanese is generic "animation", in English, it has come to specifically mean Japanese animation.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2004 2:12 pm Reply with quote
shogun51 wrote:
I'd like to see an american anime. like Japanese visual style and sensibility but with american story telling. it would be interesting to see if a combo that works with films works on anime.

So basically, you want anime with an American-ish or western hemisphere theme?

Well, Cowboy Bebop is definately one (just listen to the first word of the name "COWBOY"). Trigun's pretty good also. The whole desert planet and wild wild west looking atmosphere was fun.

Um, maybe Noir, though it's in France and not American, it's still from the western part of the world.

That's all I can think of for now.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2004 2:32 pm Reply with quote
shogun51 wrote:
I'd like to see an american anime. like Japanese visual style and sensibility but with american story telling. it would be interesting to see if a combo that works with films works on anime.


I'm not against a Fusion of the two styles, the kind of work we see from some artist / writers that are heavilly influenced by both manga (or anime) and US comics (or animation). Indeed I enjoy seing such work.

But I am heavilly against and irritated by North American projects that copy anime style art without actually being imitated by anime (or manga). Take for example several projects that image released in the late 90s, the artists were told to "draw like manga, you know with the big eyes and purple hair" but the writers continues to write the same way regardless.

If that's the kind of thing that you want, where the art is influenced by (or rather copied from) anime, but the story remains wholly american, please re-consider.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2004 2:37 pm Reply with quote
Sword of Whedon wrote:
It's impossible to have non-Japanese anime. While the term in Japanese is generic "animation", in English, it has come to specifically mean Japanese animation.


Although true, that's somewhat elitist.

Ask yourself this, is [input name of favourite anime] anime?
What if [company that created favorite anime] was American and just ran a fron in Japan for publicity reasons, and all their staff used Japanese sounding pseudonyms to go with the cover? Would the show sill be anime? Or what if the company were still in Japan but staffed entirely by Americans? Or what if the Company was in America but staffed entirely by Japanese?
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Sword of Whedon



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2004 8:30 pm Reply with quote
Animation created by, and specifically for the Japanese.

This can include shows that were commissioned by US companies, While both Sailor Moon and GI Joe were animated at Toei, SM is anime while GI Joe is not.

A more modern example ADV's upcoming Bubblegum Crisis 2041 is anime, while their other commission, Farscape- The Animated Series is not. Both have Japanese in charge of the animation, but one is planned, designed and written by Japanese, while the latter will be written/designed/boarded by Australian/British/Americans.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2004 10:31 pm Reply with quote
Sword of Whedon wrote:
Animation created by, and specifically for the Japanese.

This can include shows that were commissioned by US companies, While both Sailor Moon and GI Joe were animated at Toei, SM is anime while GI Joe is not.


I'm curious then. What is your opinion about the following shows? Are they anime?

Big O II
The original was made for Japanese audiences, but had a very heave heavy western feel (film-noir, Batman) to it. Big O II was commissioned by the Cartoon Network in response to the demands of American fans.


SD Gundam Force
Released in the U.S. first, which somewhat implies that it was meant for an international audience.

Voltron (Lion Force)
Newer episodes of Voltron were commissioned by the American Distributer. Some of these episodes featured "Sven" who was "badly injured" in one of the early episodes. Sadly, the Japanese Sven did not fare too well.


Robotech: The Sentinels
Harmony Gold commissioned the show to as a followup to their Robotech series.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 12:10 am Reply with quote
Not to mention Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust's heavy involvement by Americans.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 12:24 am Reply with quote
Then of course there's the ever-popular-to-debate Animatrix.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 2:17 am Reply with quote
" Armitage III " kinda feels non-Japanese. The English Dub is pretty good too.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 1:17 pm Reply with quote
Sword of Whedon wrote:
Animation created by, and specifically for the Japanese.


So for you it's the people who produce it, and the audience for which it is intended for that make it Anime.

I agree this is a very good guideline, and generally it's the answer I give when asked this question in a simple conversation. But as a rule it has some issues...

If for example Gundam Seed had been created by Pixar, and Toy Story had been created by Sunrise (for a Japanese audience), then Toy Story would be anime and Gundam Seed would not.

Obviously, had Pixar created Gundam Seed, it would have turned out quite different, but that's not my point here, the point is, what if an American company created something that for all intents & purposes was indistinguishable from your favorite Anime?

To date this has not happenned, there has yet to be a single "Anime - Inspired" production that I haven't been able to look at and say "this isn't Japanese." But what if?

For me, Gundam Seed is anime. Even if I were to find out tomorrow that it was created by a bunch of Texans, it would still be anime.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 1:44 pm Reply with quote
king_micah wrote:
Not to mention Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust's heavy involvement by Americans.


And first debuted on American shores as well. In fact, it's my understanding that the initial audience it was intended for was first the U.S. based audience but was written in mind that it would eventually go overseas. But if the audience at the forefront was the U.S. one, then that is fitting for Tempest's take on where the general rule of thumb runs into trouble.
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