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Answerman - Why is there a huge push for Western companies to make their own original anime content?


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mdo7



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2024 8:13 pm Reply with quote
KabaKabaFruit wrote:
Considering the growing convolution of what is considered anime and what isn't, I can't help but feel that at some point, we're just going to eliminate the anime vs general animation categorization and just go with "animation" as an absolute category.


Given that the rise of adult animation in the US and in the west too, and that does include animation with a plotline/story that can hold candle on the same level as any storyline found in any anime. Yeah, that can blur the line between true anime and anime-like animation. So I do agree with you that the anime vs general western adult animation could go the same way as the dub vs sub argument, and the OEL manga (along with non-Japanese Asian graphic novels) vs Japanese manga argument as I mentioned on my OP.

I'm glad you mentioned about that because you got American animation like Powerhouse Animation producing animation on par with any Japanese animation studio like the Netflix Castlevania animation, and the upcoming Tomb Raider Animation from that same studio. Not only that, you also got animation that is being labeled as anime but turns out that animation wasn't done by a Japanese studio like for example, how many of you know about Acura's Chiaki's Journey Type S "anime" shorts from 2022. The animation may looked like an anime on the surface, but if you examine closely with a good eyes on detail and did some research you'll find out the animation studio that did this "anime" for Acura wasn't done by a Japanese studio, but an animation studio in the UK was responsible for this "anime" for Acura. That's how far they'll go to label an animation to be labeled as "anime". It's not only Netflix, but Acura did this too.

So is it possible in the future because of the success of Netflix's Castlevania and American/western animation studio like Powerhouse Studio, Titmouse, and maybe South Korean studio like Studio Mir could do animation on behalf of Japanese franchises/IPs to blur the definition of anime?

I can't ruled out the possibility, the idea of Bandai-Namco Studio (formerly Sunrise Studio) and Bandai-Namco parent company allowing a western animation studio like Powerhouse Studio to do a full Gundam TV series instead of their in-house animation studio would be intriguing and somehow surprising to many anime fans out there (including me) and blurring the line and definition of anime. But I assume in return I hope Sunrise/Bandai-Namco Studio is given a western IP to allow to adapt to animation like let say ExoSquad for example.

Here's another scenario: Square-Enix teamed up with The Line Studio (the same studio responsible for doing the Acura's Chiaki's Journey "anime") to adapt a Dragon Quest animation done by that UK studio and the animation does resemble animation done by any Japanese studio, how would DQ & anime fans react to a UK animation studio doing a anime-esque animation of Dragon Quest done with SE's approval?

I mean we've already seeing Japanese animation being outsourced to other countries like South Korea, China, Taiwan, and SE Asian countries like Vietnam, Philippines, Indonesia, Singapore, etc.... I mean it's inevitable because of that, of course it wouldn't take that long for Japanese animation to be outsource to American and Western animation studio if they can make their animation look as good as their Japanese animation counterpart. I mean I'm aware that Studio Ghibli sometime outsource their animation to a well-known South Korean animation studio, DR Movie. DR Movie is the only South Korean studio to worked with Ghibli. How long do you think until a Japanese producers may decide to work with Studio Mir to do a "anime" of a Japanese manga or light novel? I don't ruled out that possibility.

So yes, the definition of anime is going to get blurred because of Japanese producers and IPs maker are going to not only outsource animation to foreign studio in East & Southeast Asia, but also outsourcing animation to American and western animation studio providing they can make their animation resemble or look close to anime. I think that could be our future of animation and anime overall.
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Takkun4343



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2024 8:45 pm Reply with quote
RickyTheRat wrote:
Scott Pilgrim Takes Off is no more anime than Tiny Toons or Batman the Animated Series. American writers and producers hiring a Japanese studio to animate their work doesn't make it anime.

But unlike Tiny Toons and Batman, Science SARU is credited as the main animation studio, not one of several subcontractors like TMS was. Anime or no, Scott Pilgrim is undeniably the more "anime" cartoon of the three.
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RupanSansei



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2024 12:18 am Reply with quote
Joe Mello wrote:
yeehaw wrote:
I don't get how crunchyroll helping produce MORE anime is healthy for the industry when too much anime is part of the problem

Math
If 33% of the anime being turned out now has Crunchyroll involved, that means there's 67% that doesn't. If the "ideal" amount of anime output is significantly more than 67% of what the industry is turning out now, than one can conclusively say Crunchyroll has a major role in the production of anime.

I don't know what the ideal amount of production is, but I'd probably lean towards supporting the Answerman's statement. I'd also have thought Netflix would've been a larger presence in the context of this question.


Considering the news about a potential merge between Sony & Kadokawa what percentage would that technically become? Just curious as i suck at doing math
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Snomaster1
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2024 1:41 am Reply with quote
I don't have a problem with Japanese studios collaborating with studios in other countries,including this one. A lot of the best cartoons I've seen have been made with Japanese help. I think this is very good and I hope this continues.
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FishLion



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2024 11:01 am Reply with quote
Takkun4343 wrote:
But unlike Tiny Toons and Batman, Science SARU is credited as the main animation studio, not one of several subcontractors like TMS was. Anime or no, Scott Pilgrim is undeniably the more "anime" cartoon of the three.


That is probably close to my personal definition. If Japanese companies are making executive decisions about the art and animation and not simply animating the storyboards they were sent then it is 100% anime. I don't know what the animation team for the new Scott Pilgrim was given, but if anything it seems most comparable to making an adaptation for a comic book that was never released. Grabinski, one of the writers, said “We just tried to make the story as emotionally, thematically, and narratively interesting as we could, because we knew that they’d deliver on the visuals,” so it definitely seems like the studio had full visual freedom. The team wrote a story and the animation studio adapted that story into animation from top to bottom, if anime about non-Japanese books count as anime then I'm pretty sure this does too. The only difference between the two could be said to be they were trying to work within O'Malley's art style, but I still think that would be comparable to how Panty and Stocking is inspired by American shows like Drawn Together but is still certainly Japanese animation, this just happens to be an adaptation of American writing that is also visually inspired by the source material.
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KabaKabaFruit



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2024 12:19 pm Reply with quote
FishLion wrote:
If Japanese companies are making executive decisions about the art and animation and not simply animating the storyboards they were sent then it is 100% anime.
Perhaps so, but would the average Joe & Jane viewer who expects anime to follow the formula of "Big Eyes, Small Mouth" be bothered to recognize such criteria? If their philosophy is that anime has to follow the traditional "Big Eyes, Small Mouth" style that is prevalent in Japan in order to be defined as "anime", and American or European productions produce shows that follow that style or slight variations of it even if it isn't Japanese, would they still want to refer to it as "anime" in the absolute or "anime-style" as an offshoot? This is the crux of the debate here.
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