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penguintruth
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Reboots are mostly unnecessary. But that doesn't mean that the reboots don't have their own charms. "Necessary" and "good" are obviously different.
FMAB wasn't entirely necessary, but I'm glad it was made, because the manga got a full adaptation and there was a lot of material worth animating from it. I wish more people would give FMA 2003 the credit it deserves these days, but I can understand why Brotherhood supplanted it in people's hearts. DNT is likewise unnecessary, but quite good at staying on the focused characters and plot points of Tanaka's books (plus Sentai's OG LoGH boxset was $800 and nobody subscribes to Hi-Dive). If only CR would finally dub and release season 4 on Blu-Ray. Urusei Yatsura definitely didn't need a reboot, but the new show is pretty good. I wish Trigun Stampede had been a full adaptation of the Trigun manga, instead of... what we got. Interestingly, nobody really talks about Stampede. |
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Nyapan
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I've liked almost all of the reboots I've seen so they've been a net positive for me!
Some of them aren't talked about enough though like Dragon Quest Dai no Daibouken which was a very solid battle shonen with consistent animation. Guess it was too by the book for most people unfortunately. My biggest wish is a Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicle reboot. It's my favorite manga and the Bee Train adaptation doesn't give it justice at all! Half of it is filler and it has a lot of censorship to fit into a kid's timeslot as to cash into Cardcaptor Sakura's success. It also looks really bad even for the time and while the OST is great by itself, its usage in the show is subpar. You know the adaptation is bad when Clamp themselves asked for the cancellation of the planned third season! |
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Mikan-box Glasses-kun
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Funny thing is, when I first started really getting into TV anime (way back in the semi-ancient years of... 2010-2011), I somehow thought that Brotherhood was a spin-off of FMA03 due to the titling, so I watched that first in "prep" and ended up really loving it. I very quickly understood my mistake once I started on Brotherhood, but I also really loved that series too so I definitely didn't feel like I wasted my time. I do personally prefer Brotherhood's final arc over 03's, but everything both series covered I thought 03 did way better, and it's downright criminal that it's basically buried now. (I could go on a giant rant about Aniplex's habit of burying anything older than 10 years old that isn't a giant mega-hit, but that would be off-topic so I'll refrain.)
Oddly, the only thing the Urusei Yatsura remake really achieved for me (besides showing the world once again, that Lum's cute) is make me want to watch Maison Ikkoku, a series long enough that it's taking me quite a while to get through but I've enjoyed way more. |
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Dop.L
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I've kind of enjoyed the Urusei Yatsura remake for general wackiness, but never seen the original. On the other hand, while I have seen the original series of Maison Ikkoku (and one day I'll find the time to watch it again as it is very long) but i have to admit I would not be averse to a remake of that if only to bring the story to a new audience. |
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Lord Starfish
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I've held the stance pretty much since FMA:B concluded that, while I would agree that Brotherhood is overall the stronger show, both anime of Fullmetal Alchemist are excellent shows well worth watching, and that one should absolutely watch the 2003 series first. Mostly because, while I do like the manga/Brotherhood's ending a whole lot more than the strange reverse isekai twist of 2003, the first series had a much, much stronger start. Honestly, the first cour of Brotherhood is kind of a mess. And while it slows down to a more tolerable degree past that point, I don't think Brotherhood ever 100% lost that vibe of being just a little bit too fast. I feel like 80 or 90 episodes would have been a better length for a full adaptation of the manga than the 64 we got.
When it comes to One Piece being remade... I will say this: The early episodes of the Toei anime both show their age and how little production time the show had back then. The animation is sorely limited, and the fact that all of East Blue was stored on composite masters means it looks positively hideous on modern TVs. So from that perspective, the idea of a from-the-ground-up remake doesn't seem too out there. At the same time though... East Blue is back when the pacing was largely okay, so I hope Wit doesn't pull a Brotherhood and try to speedrun the material. Like, there are still places where they could certainly trim some fat, but I feel like the crew should not depart for Reverse Mountain any sooner than, like, episode 40. So in this world where we have the Toei anime which is absolutely killing it with its animation and direction these days but which is saddled with an unavoidably sluggish pace, I somehow find myself worrying that Wit will overcorrect and make the show too rushed. But we shall see. |
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MiniMarps
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Remember the bad old days, when instead of just putting the anime adaptation on pause when it caught up to the manga, studios would come up with their own (usually awful) final act? THOSE are the series that benefit from reboots. Like I know Shaman King's recent reboot wasn't particularly well received, but I still think that serves as a good example of the positive purpose reboots can serve. The original adaptation's ending was nothing short of absurd in how tonally out-of-touch with the canon story it was.
On that note, personally I'm still holding out hope that Bamboo Blade will get a fully-canon reboot someday. |
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MarshalBanana
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The closest solid argument I could give. It would be that the first adaptation was, either, of such sub par quality that, that there was no reason to watch it over/or as well as the source material, or it ended on an unresolved cliffhanger that stopped the story being able to stand on its own two legs.
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AsleepBySunset
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I wouldn't say I despise shaman kings reboot but it was so bad it couldn't even do the original anime justice, let alone the original manga (which I haven't read). |
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Radrappy
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I'm sure I'll catch heat for this...but has there ever been a lauded reboot that you all just bounced off of?
I LOVED the 2001 Fruits Basket, despite the fact that it ends only partway through the manga...it was emotionally satisfying and exceptionally well directed. I bounced off the 2019 reboot faster than any other show I was previously teed up to love. It was just so...dry? Gone was the vibrant and funny personality of the original anime take...although I understand it's WAY more faithful to the manga? And that the mangaka herself resented the 2001 adaption's tone and story changes? I dunno, it just felt like a mid-tier effort from a production point of view...and completely unfunny and poorly directed. Probably a case of what you've seen/read first is your favorite. |
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Terraziel
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The problem I have with the the LOGH reboot is that I have zero faith that it will get to the end, though admittedly it has already gotten further than i thought it would, and an unfinished reboot is worse than nothing.
On the other hand for One Piece I think it is easy to forget that it has been going on so long (24 years in case you have forgotten) that there are whole generations that have probably never seen the first episodes. So yeah, I can see why they might want a way to remind people how the thing started. |
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Kicksville
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I'm more skeptical these days about how much social media actually reflects popularity, aside from maybe mega hits. I've somehow seen a lot of people who are gaga over Trigun Stampede, so my experience was completely different there. And of course there's the recent Netflix data which confirms Record of Ragnarok was far more popular than you'd assume from plugged in anime discourse. Of course, I really don't know how much better Urusei Yatsura could possibly be doing when it's on HiDive and not something like Netflix, but she was the queen of vaporwave for years, so I wonder. (also just gonna throw out there, Yashahime is severely underrated and overhated) |
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prime_pm
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Controversial: I actual disliked Bamboo Blade manga's ending so much that I donated all my books almost immediately after I finished reading. It had more of an open ending than the anime, and I really liked the anime. So disappointed. Did tear up a little at that one page, but I felt like there should have been more story to cover. |
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Zoltan Kakler
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And this still happens from time to time like Promised Neverland and Tokyo Ghoul. Otherwise, I agree. Anything that deviated from the original manga, gets cancelled, or otherwise never finishes could use a reboot. In terms of updating old works with fancy new animation, it seems a bit more questionable. Ill wait to see how One Piece turns out before judging, but I wont say no to a remake of the later half where the pacing turns into a snails crawl. |
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MiniMarps
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Oh, I don't have much to say in defense of the actual production quality of the reboot, granted. I'm just saying that in principle the series a good example of why reboots are sometimes warranted. |
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Nev999
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Everyone always complains Brotherhood's pace for the first 12 eps is really rushed as the go to criticism, and I wish it would be paced like the manga myself, but I watched the 03 after reading the manga...and I found it's pacing honestly kind of mind numbingly slow and uneven in the first half. After having read thought what I thought was a much better paced version of events. Mostly it was noticeable that there were a lot of honestly pretty bad one off episodes (I love the one where Ed kills someone early on and does not react at all and then the series proceeds to forget it happened and still have whether he should kill be his central conflict) and a lot they threw in that was a mess when they tried to reconcile it with the manga later (like presenting Barry the Chopper as the ultimate scary cliche crossdressing serial killer, and then going back to the comedic presentation the manga gave him when he came back. Which is really bizarre because they presumably included him BECAUSE they'd already read the part where he showed up in the manga, so uh???)
But you likely don't notice or care about that as much if it's your default version, just like a 03 fan would care more about BH's pacing. (Also, for the record, everyone I've watched BH with who hasn't seen 03/read the manga doesn't find the first act rushed and are confused when I mention it). I guess it really is about what story you experience first and where your nostalgia is. I kind of wish more people would admit that though, so I'm glad it was bought up, Honestly, they're very different stories from the very beginning because of the (often contradictory, I'm sorry) stuff 03 through in and it's general vibe and approach, so a reboot was pretty warranted. I think the manga is the best version personally, but most people don't read manga as much as they watch anime. Arakawa's complete version of the story is a good one, so I'm glad it got it's recognition. I do think 03 should be accessible to the people who enjoy it though, and it's weird it isn't. Last edited by Nev999 on Thu Jan 11, 2024 6:49 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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