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Thespacemaster
Joined: 03 Mar 2012
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2022 11:02 am
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This is like the third time talking about the whole transgender thing.
Give it a rest already, its 2022 it aint a big deal, Its great but move on sheesh,
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Chris Handsome
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2022 11:42 am
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I find that last bit about "heroes and heroines" very funny because outside of Ky, that's not a term I'd used to describe many characters in the series. Most of the characters in GG have very questionable morality and are borderline evil.
As for Bridget, I think the whole character is disgusting, the character was made to appeal to shotacons and sell merch. Now by bringing the character back after so long, they need to do something drastic to exploit the character for a new generation of degenerates.
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OtomeGay
Joined: 14 Oct 2021
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2022 12:43 pm
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This is really nice to see, especially with everything that goes on in politics and the news. I hope characters like Bridget can provide comfort for trans folks during these times.
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allnightclerk
Joined: 24 Sep 2022
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2022 12:46 pm
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That seems pretty historically revisionist given the creators comments for decades. This seems like a "Dumbledore was always gay" situation to me, only a lot more transparent
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Beatdigga
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2022 1:02 pm
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allnightclerk wrote: | That seems pretty historically revisionist given the creators comments for decades. This seems like a "Dumbledore was always gay" situation to me, only a lot more transparent |
I can’t speak to the Bridget history, but as far as Dumbledore was concerned, the movie executives confirmed Rowling was informing them Dumbledore was gay as early as production on Chamber of Secrets.
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SHD
Joined: 05 Apr 2015
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2022 1:09 pm
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By the way, I'd just like to note that they're actually using the word "transgender". So anyone being all "boo it's just woke PC western media's twisted interpretation" or whatever - nope. The Japanese side was already being crystal clear before this, and they're being crystal clear now.
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King Chicken
Joined: 13 Aug 2022
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2022 1:31 pm
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I am pressing X to doubt right now.
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Wyvern
Joined: 01 Sep 2004
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2022 1:52 pm
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allnightclerk wrote: | That seems pretty historically revisionist given the creators comments for decades. This seems like a "Dumbledore was always gay" situation to me, only a lot more transparent |
It's not really like that, since the whole issue people had with the Dumbledore situation is that his being gay is never brought up in the story itself. Bridget being trans is definitely part of the GG Strive story.
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puggles
Joined: 09 Aug 2022
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2022 2:13 pm
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Beatdigga wrote: | I can’t speak to the Bridget history, but as far as Dumbledore was concerned, the movie executives confirmed Rowling was informing them Dumbledore was gay as early as production on Chamber of Secrets. |
( Oh wow, so the meme of Retcon Rowling was fake all along? Who knew. )
Daisuke Ishiwatari always described Bridget's creation as wanting to create a cute male character rather than a cute female one. So it very much does seem like a complete lie he's telling now if he's saying "Oh, she was always trans lol 4D chess master plan with 25 years in the making". But I guess this confirms where Ishiwatari's priorities and mind lie now.
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Vanadise
Joined: 06 Apr 2015
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2022 2:32 pm
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puggles wrote: | But I guess this confirms where Ishiwatari's priorities and mind lie now. |
Rather than now, I'd say it confirms that "appeasing English-speaking transphobes" has never been a priority for him.
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reynado
Joined: 18 Oct 2022
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2022 2:32 pm
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I'm not really surprised by this. A lot of these kinds of writers love to play revisionist history with their works. Look at the whole recent Velma thing where people are pretending she never liked guys in past series and saying she was always a lesbian. Not even meeting people halfway and saying she's bisexual. Lesbian. Yum, love me some good old bi erasure. Which makes the new edgy adult cartoon where she apparently has a crush on Fred getting tons of hate by people all the more funny. Can't even keep their lies consistant.
If you have to tell me that someone was "always X" after the show ended or game is 20 years old then you're either trying to dishonestly retcon things or a total coward. Going to go with the former here because there's been trans characters in Japanese media long before the first GG game came out so saying people didn't know or it wasn't allowed is bogus. Imagine saying it was unheard of, not very well known, or not allowed when video game characters like Poison and Birdo existed since the 80s. I can boot up my copy of Ganbare Goemon 3 for the Super Famicom and talk to a transgender woman in game right now
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Minos_Kurumada
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2022 2:52 pm
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I quite frankly don't care, but, it kinda pisses me off when something like this happens nowadays and then people act as if it was something never done before.
Now, something I really want to know is what happened with Bridget's girlfriend.
Is she ok with this?
Did they break up?
Is assimilating it?
Was she deleted from cannon?
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Megumi Chisato
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2022 3:28 pm
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allnightclerk wrote: | That seems pretty historically revisionist given the creators comments for decades. This seems like a "Dumbledore was always gay" situation to me, only a lot more transparent. |
I think it's more when Rowling said something along the lines of "Hermione was never White," when justifying the casting of a Black actor as Hermione for the stage play. It's not that a Black actor can't play Hermione, nor can there not be new Black characters introduced into the Harry Potter canon. It's these retcons of old characters to pander to modern sensibilities that annoy fans who loved these original characters for who they are. And when old fans complain, they're labeled racist, sexist, transphobic, etc... It's really not fair.
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Gem-Bug
Joined: 10 Nov 2018
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2022 3:37 pm
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Thespacemaster wrote: | This is like the third time talking about the whole transgender thing.
Give it a rest already, its 2022 it aint a big deal, Its great but move on sheesh, |
If it's not a big deal(to you), why bother with a nothing-comment? It's the third article in like 3-4 months, chill out.
It's also funny to see comments changing from "Oh, that's not what they really mean" to "Oh, they're just playing revisionist now". Keep grasping at your hate-straws and "not caring about this", lol.
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johnnysasaki
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2022 5:14 pm
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puggles wrote: | ( Oh wow, so the meme of Retcon Rowling was fake all along? Who knew. )
Daisuke Ishiwatari always described Bridget's creation as wanting to create a cute male character rather than a cute female one. So it very much does seem like a complete lie he's telling now if he's saying "Oh, she was always trans lol 4D chess master plan with 25 years in the making". But I guess this confirms where Ishiwatari's priorities and mind lie now. |
didn't George Lucas say he always meant for Luke and Leia to be twins all along?yeah...
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